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Vineeto’s Correspondence with Sonya on Discuss Actualism Forum
SONYA: Didn’t realise how long it has been since I last wrote on here. Lately, I’ve been kinda stuck I guess. These are the things I’ve been really struggling with:
Both of these things means that I am a person that struggles to do things on my own. I never really think that I can do anything on my own. I usually rely on someone else encouraging me or holding my hand through it. For example, I’ve always wanted to start going to heels dance classes. But I couldn’t go on my own, I had to go with a friend. Or learning how to drive a manual car, I needed encouragement from Kuba. I struggle with the initial leap into doing something ‘scary’. It’s funny cause once I’m actually doing ‘it’, it’s never as scary. Now I go to classes on my own (even new ones, I also made new friends!) and I passed my driving test the first time as well as driving to London on my own multiple times. I know logically I have the capacity to do things, I guess I just always seem to want to make sure it’s ‘safe’ to do so first. So, regarding putting in the work in being happy and harmless. I’m really struggling lately to
take it a step further. So here is my little tiny step I’m doing on my own so I can go further into this adventure
into living what I really want deep down. VINEETO: Hi Sonya, Welcome back to the forum. If your self-respect allows, I would like to make one or two comments on what you wrote. I appears you are making good progress regarding your problem No. 2 and meet your fear of failing head-on – and you are succeeding. It’s really the only way to deal with such fear – look at it without blinking, so to speak, and you notice that its intensity will diminish right away, and then you can proceed to do what you want to do. No. 1 is more complex. First of all, you will perhaps be relieved to learn that every single feeling being deep down feels that there is something wrong with ‘being’ here, with being ‘me’. The reason is that ‘I’ as a feeling being am an impostor, a fraud, an alien entity, having taken charge over your flesh-and-blood body. This feeling of something being wrong with ‘you’ will not disappear except in a PCE or when actually free. What you can do is to diminish the strength and influence of ‘me’ in your daily life by enjoying and appreciating being here and thus reduce the identity-enhancing ‘good’ and ‘bad’ feelings and increase the identity-diminishing happy and harmless feelings. I don’t know how much you read of Richard’s writing, or how much you are interested to read – I can post some quotes here and you let me know if that is explanatory and beneficial for you.
SONYA: Hi Vineeto, Thanks for the reply. VINEETO: Hi Sonya, You are very welcome. * VINEETO: First of all, you will perhaps be relieved to learn that every single feeling being deep down feels that there is something wrong with ‘being’ here, with being ‘me’. SONYA: This is what Kuba said to me yesterday so it is relieving that someone else has also found that to be the case. I see that just knowing this doesn’t change anything for me but living my daily like enjoying and appreciating being here is the way forward. VINEETO: Yes, this is definitely a good route to choose. The way this works is to comprehend that this moment is the only moment you can actually experience being alive – what happened yesterday or an hour ago is a memory, and what will happen tomorrow or an hour from now is based on planning and/or conjecture or both. Therefore, if you are not happy now you are wasting the only moment you can actually experience – the perfect incentive to change that. You can read Richard’s article on This Moment of Being Alive * VINEETO: I don’t know how much you read of Richard’s writing, or how much you are interested to read – I can post some quotes here and you let me know if that is explanatory and beneficial for you. SONYA: I have read some parts of Richard’s journal a while ago and I did give up on it since I struggled to get a grasp on what he was saying and I also ended up falling asleep trying to comprehend the writings. I think I was content with where I was before so I didn’t have much motivation to read more of Richard’s writings. However, I find myself wanting to do better and be better now so I am definitely interested in reading. VINEETO: I can understand that. Feeling being ‘Vineeto’ had to read Richard’s writing slowly and several times the same topic before she could grasp something of what was conveyed. When ‘she’ had a PCE the meaning of his writing became much clearer because she could comprehend a lot more experientially.
SONYA: This confuses me. Is this saying that the instinctual passions such as the fear, aggression, nurture is what ‘I’ am as identity? Like the building blocks that creates what I am? Is that why I feel like there is something ‘wrong’ with me? Because I am always acting via the instinctual passions? VINEETO: Essentially yes. The identity, ‘you’, is comprised of several components – at the core are the instinctual survival passions which humans have in common with animals.
VINEETO: Then there is a second layer of the social identity, which encompasses all the ethics (right and wrong) and morals (good and bad), which humans have established and passed on in order to keep the wily instinctual passions in check to a certain degree. So you are being both the instinctual passions (emotions) and the societal feelings (the ethical and moral beliefs, principles, etc) … and are acting accordingly.
VINEETO: As such, ‘you’, the identity, are those instinctual passions – in other words, you don’t have those passions but they are the very substance ‘you’ are made of (except when you have a PCE where this very identity goes temporarily in abeyance including the instinctual passions and feelings). Those survival passions are like a whirlpool and the very movement of those feelings and passions is what keeps the identity in existence. When you comprehend this deeply, you can choose to either be anger and sadness or be the happy and harmless feelings, the moment you notice any diminishment in feeling good.
SONYA: Unfortunately I cannot remember a PCE. VINEETO: In a quiet moment you can search in your memory, not the emotional or intellectual memory but either an intuitive or sensory memory, and see if you find an outstanding experience, where everything was all right, was just as it should be and was so magnificent and extraordinary, as if not from this world, so peaceful and gay, that you experienced it as always wanting to live this way. Most likely they happened in childhood – perhaps you can unearth a memory. They are not stored in the normal emotional memory hence a bit difficult to rediscover. I do suspect you have a very vague memory of one or more PCEs because you said that you “feel there is something fundamentally wrong with me”, and in the next paragraph below you say that “I like the use of the word ‘persona’. This is exactly how I feel. Like I am keeping up a persona.” To feel there is something “wrong with me” there must be a benchmark to what would be right with you in comparison, something actual.
SONYA: So from the quotes you provided of Richard’s writings I
understand it is the reason why I feel there is something fundamentally wrong with me is because who ‘I’ am as an
identity isn’t actual, I exist as a mix of instinctual passions, roles, rank, etc. I like the use of the word ‘persona’.
This is exactly how I feel. Like I am keeping up a persona. VINEETO: This is an excellent observation, and whatever you are trying to do to make it ‘right’ on the emotional level or even the intellectual level will have no lasting effect. As I said yesterday, what you can do with the help of the actualism method is to diminish the strength and influence of ‘me’, the persona, in your daily life by enjoying and appreciating being here and thus reduce the identity-enhancing ‘good’ and ‘bad’ feelings and increase the identity-diminishing felicitous feelings, i.e. enjoyment and appreciation. By being honest with yourself and sincere in your endeavour you can re-awaken your dormant naiveté (being like a child but with adult sensibilities) and keep ‘thinning’ your identity to the point that it becomes more and more insubstantial.
SONYA: Hi Vineeto, Your explanation of the different layers of the identity is really helpful for me to understand. I’m quite a visual learner so the description of the different layers of instinctual passions and social identity made me immediately think of an ‘identity onion’ made of those different layers. VINEETO: Hi Sonya, This is a good equivalent. I have other actualists seen describe their process as peeling the onion to get to the core. It’s all about becoming aware, each moment again, how you experience being alive. When there is a dip in feeling good, you can look at what caused it (the top layer of the onion) and then consciously recognize that’s it’s silly to let such an event interfere with feeling good. Sometimes a ‘problem’ can be a sticky, so to speak, and that is generally because of a certain belief or principle or attitude you have adopted as ‘right’ or ‘just’ or ‘true’ – you can then discuss this with yourself, or with another actualist, if it really makes sense to keep this belief/ attitude/ principle and thus allow it to interfere with your intent of enjoying being here. However, before you start ‘peeling’ away the societal/ cultural conditioning it is
imperative that at minimum a sincere intent to be happy and harmless be dedicatorily in place because this social
conditioning is otherwise essential to keep the instinctual passions in check * VINEETO: I do suspect you have a very vague memory of one or more PCEs … SONYA: That would be cool to remember! I think for now what I’ve been grasping to is small glimmers of peaceful/ content moments I find myself experiencing that tend to make me pause for a moment to take it in. Usually when I’m eating something nice or cuddling with Kuba. Those are great for now. VINEETO: This link may be helpful * VINEETO: You can read Richard’s article on This Moment of Being Alive
SONYA: I’m going to give it a go. Thanks for offering to
clarify! VINEETO: Here is an interesting correspondence you may relate to –
KUBA: It seems to me that you are right at that point where –
“one can stay quiescent no longer”. You just need to locate what it is exactly that you are aiming for
(where you have been proceeding anyways). SONYA to Kuba: I had to google what quiescent meant but yes, that’s
exactly how I feel. It just really hit me when doing our wedding stuff yesterday that what I want most in this world
is to be happy and harmless with you 24 hours a day 7 days a week. That’s a really really big motivator for me. We
are legally making a commitment to ‘join’ our lives together so why am I not making the commitment to live life
with you in the most fun, exciting, wholesome, fulfilling way? I can really see now that that is what I want, more
than anything. For now, without the memory of a PCE that desire is what I’m holding on to. VINEETO: Ah, Sonya, this is wonderful to read. It so reminds me how, when feeling being
‘Vineeto’ met ‘Peter’ the first time, ‘he’ proposed to want to live together in peace and harmony and with
honesty look at everything which got in the way of this aim. ‘Vineeto’ thought ‘she’ never heard a more
attractive proposal and agreed. ‘We’ had great fun together, to put it mildly. Peter described it in his journal
Besides, with a commitment to be “happy and harmless with you [Kuba] 24 hours a day 7 days a week” you cannot fail having a PCE sooner or later.
SONYA: Hi Vineeto, Thank you for your time in helping me. I’m currently reading the links you’ve provided. I’m struggling to get a grasp on the meaning of ‘affective awareness’ – Is it essentially awareness of your feelings? Could you clarify for me please? Google doesn’t seem to be helping either. VINEETO: Hi Sonya, you are welcome and it is a pleasure to do so. The reason I emphasized “affective” awareness is because several people misunderstood the actualism method and only paid attention to their thoughts instead of including their feelings which lay behind their troublesome thoughts. The other reason is that, with the large prevalence of Buddhistic practices, dissociation from one’s feelings is very common and then those suppressed feelings make themselves felt somatically, i.e. in bodily discomfort, physical tensions and pain and they never discover the cause of their discomfort by missing out on affective awareness. Kuba explained it very well in his most recent message to you * VINEETO: Perhaps it’s a good idea (…) to look for a resistance or hesitation regarding a PCE because the implications can seem too much. SONYA: Logically, I can’t pinpoint any resistance or hesitation regarding remember a PCE. Of course there is a possibility there is something I am doing sub-consciously. When I think about why I may not want to remember a PCE nothing really comes up. Why would I not want to remember perfection? More digging may be required here. VINEETO: Ah well, perhaps there is no resistance, it was just a guess. However, I noticed you said “logically”, so there is the possibility of looking emotionally? Besides, the more you enjoy and appreciate being here, the more you are in the perfect position to allow a PCE to happen by naïvely “going boldly where angels fear to tread”, as the saying goes – with adult sensibility of course. Incidentally, sexual intimacy coupled with naiveté is an ideal opportunity as well to allow a
PCE to happen. Richard talks about this in detail here. * VINEETO: Ah, Sonya, this is wonderful to read. It so reminds me how, when feeling being ‘Vineeto’ met ‘Peter’ the first time, ‘he’ proposed to want to live together in peace and harmony and with honesty look at everything which got in the way of this aim. ‘Vineeto’ thought ‘she’ never heard a more attractive proposal and agreed. ‘We’ had great fun together, to put it mildly. SONYA: This is very similar to Kuba and I. I remember him telling me about you
and Peter. How both of you managed to tackle the challenge of living together in peace and harmony. I thought it just
made sense! Why can’t we do that? Let’s do it! Remembering this again has brought to a smile to my face. It’s
something I need to keep at the forefront my mind. VINEETO: I am pleased to read that someone was inspired by ‘Peter’s’ and ‘Vineeto’s’ reports and accepted Richard’s challenge to all when he said “I have always wondered whether it is possible for man and woman to live together intimately; in perfect peace and harmony.” (Richard’s Journal, Article One). It is indeed a good thing “to keep at the forefront my mind” because this “thing” can give you the perfect confirmation that everything is going swimmingly, and a timely warning when it’s not operating, that you have wandered off the ‘wide and wondrous’ path to being happy and harmless. Then you stop in your tracks, get back to feeling good (first thing before you start finding blame or reason), and then have a good look what is going on. Just remember that blaming either yourself or the other only serves to strengthen the ‘persona’, whereas sincere inquiry can not only be successful to dissolve the obstacle but turn out to be fun in the puzzle-solving process itself. Here is how Peter described it –
Be a friend to yourself and appreciate your successes, no matter how small they may appear to you at first glance.
SONYA: Hi Vineeto, I just wanted to say this is all really fun and I can’t believe it’s taken me this long to get involved! VINEETO: Hi Sonya, It’s a pleasure to hear, I wish you lots of fun on the way to even more enjoyment and appreciation. * VINEETO: … dissociation from one’s feelings is very common and then those suppressed feelings make themselves felt somatically, i.e. in bodily discomfort, physical tensions and pain. SONYA: This is something I’ve noticed myself doing in the past alot. I think alot of it has diminished now. However, now when an emotion bubbles up it gets overwhelming and I find it hard to just sit and not express it. Especially a couple days before my period when the bar for my emotional tolerance is very low. It seems to be a common time I find a way to start an argument. Last time it was about who was cooking the minced meat. VINEETO: Oh dear, and it is such fun to cook together! When an emotion bubbles up, the first thing is that you get back to feeling good, without expressing or suppressing the feeling, both action would give it more energy. What most helps to get back to feeling good is the realization that you are wasting this precious moment by being emotional when you could be feeling good instead. Only when you feel good again, then you sort out and look into what has just been happening. It may look a bit difficult at the start but most the time it’s a (silly) habitual reaction like blaming yourself of the other, trying to push the feeling away or wanting to act it out. All these increase the energy of the feeling itself. If you can stop yourself acting habitually just for a short moment, the feeling will decrease (because you are not feeding it). SONYA: In the past I never quite understood what Kuba was talking about since I only felt feelings physically (heart racing, lump in my throat). However, reading Kuba’s explanation to me just now it clicked for me and I was able to pinpoint when I’ve had an affective awareness of the feelings. That’s pretty cool to notice. VINEETO: That is cool, and you patted yourself on the back right away too – appreciation is a multiplier for enjoyment. * VINEETO: Just remember that blaming either yourself or the other only serves to strengthen the ‘persona’, whereas sincere inquiry can not only be successful to dissolve the obstacle but turn out to be fun in the puzzle-solving process itself. SONYA: This really hit home hahah. I have a tendency to do this and it never ever gets anywhere. It makes so much sense and yet my default is blame. VINEETO: Yes I know, most people do it automatically. But because it is only a habit and not a deeply ingrained one, it’s easy to discard this behaviour the moment you notice it (like wiggling your toes). * VINEETO: Be a friend to yourself and appreciate your successes, no matter how small they may appear to you at first glance. SONYA: I remember speaking to my friend about actualism and
being happy and harmless. She said to me ‘remember to be happy and harmless to yourself too!’ I felt so silly, the
thought never even crossed my mind. VINEETO: Ha, that’s what well-meaning friends are for. Most children are dutifully
trained to be hard on themselves (unless they are spoilt) and become useful members for society, and this inculcated
training takes on a life of its own. Devika, Peter and myself had a conversation with Richard in 1997 on this topic
which Richard recorded and transcribed. Enjoy.
VINEETO: Incidentally, sexual intimacy coupled with naiveté is an ideal opportunity as well to
allow a PCE to happen. Richard talks about this in detail here SONYA: So, I’ve been reading this over and over again today. All I can say is WOW! It’s cool to read how much better sex could be, how much more intimate I could be with Kuba.
This bit really got to me, It made me realise how I much I pull back when having sex. There’s a fear of giving myself to him. I feel like I need to hold back. I’m not sure why, it might be out of habit from previous sexual encounters with other people where it wasn’t the safest of situations. But I’ve just clocked what I’ve been doing. I do remember clearly one time experiencing the below mentioned “great sex” which was full of sweetness and I was so thrilled with it I immediately told my girlfriends. I think that’s what I need to keep referring back as my reference until I decide to raise the bar. Magical sex sounds pretty fucking cool haha! VINEETO: Hi Sonya, It’s really fortuitous that you discovered that you don’t “need to hold back” in sexual intimacy – it is the best way to explore intimacy and naiveté and experience instant tangible rewards. “Great sex which was full or sweetness” gives you the perfect motivation to have more of it, and take notice and then decline the emotional obstacles that could prevent experiencing such sweet intimacy again and again. Don’t get discouraged when you discover some feelings of wanting to pull back, or some fear of going too far – this is only natural because sexuality has been for centuries accompanied by the strongest religious/ spiritual and social taboos. It is the most delicious and most straight-forward way to lose one’s ‘self’. That’s when magical sex happens.
SONYA: I had an “ah ha!” moment last week as I was driving to dance class. The sun was shining and just starting to set, I had my music on, window down, and the golden sunlight shining through the window was marvellous. I found myself thoroughly enjoying all the sights and sounds. It made me feel giddy with happiness. This feeling carried on through-out my drive to the studio, then all a sudden I realised things were happening on its own without me “choosing” to? It was like I noticed that I was changing gear, breaking, accelerating, signalling without choosing to? Like my body was doing things on its own accord without ‘me’ consciously deciding these things. I kinda realised that it was always like this, that ‘I’ haven’t really been making any decisions this whole time and things were just happening. It was almost like the most obvious thing ever. Then I parked up, went into class and had a great time. VINEETO: Hi Sonya, This was a great “‘ah ha!’ moment”. Keep it in mind – the more you remember that “things were happening on its own with out me “choosing” to” the more you can safely allow things happening on their own and be done much better without ‘you’ interfering.
You may remember Richard’s story how the painting painted itself –
… and ‘he’ then wished to live life in the same way –
SONYA: It was like I was autopilot but aware I was on autopilot.
Whereas in the past when I would be on ‘autopilot’ I would also be in fantasy land somewhere in my head. This time
felt significant cause I was firmly right here. VINEETO: That is a great description – “I was autopilot but aware I was on autopilot”. It refers to the same fascinating occurrence of apperception Richard describes: the mind’s perception of itself.
SONYA: Basically, all this made me really start to wonder if ‘I’
am really needed. VINEETO: Indeed, and once you begin to wonder if ‘you’ are really needed, you put the first nail in the coffin of ‘me’ and ‘my’ importance. Then seriousness falls by the wayside and being alive in this modus operandi becomes more and more easy and fun.
SONYA: So I’ve been keeping the experience of that ‘ah ha!’
moment at the front of my mind. The seeing that everything is happening on its own accord without ‘me’ actually
deciding anything has been pretty relevant for me lately. I mostly find myself loosening the ‘reigns of control’
when I’m driving and noticing how easy everything is and how much more fun I am having when I let go a bit more. It’s
realising experientially, bit by bit that it’s actually better in every way to step back. I notice that it’s when
‘I’ pop up and start planning/ scheming is when the light/ fun flavour of the world around me dulls. It’s like I’m
seeing the world through different lenses depending on how much ‘in control’ ‘I’ am. VINEETO: Hi Sonya, This is a great discovery and one which stands you in good stead every time you remember “to step back”. Being more and more naïve makes life not only easier but so much more fun! SONYA: Just in time to walk down the aisle this weekend haha. VINEETO: Congratulations to both of you – you both have the tools, the commitment and dedication to live together in peace and harmony. SONYA (to Kuba): I do notice that I have also found it harder to hold on to being serious. There have been a few fleeting moments when ‘I’ have felt I needed to be serious and be upset about something and one look at you grinning at me in playfulness and it all just dissipates. What a waste it would be to be serious and upset when I could enjoy this moment with you. VINEETO: Hehe, it’s such fun to have a happy playmate and you already noticed and
reported that you can have this non-serious enjoyment with other people as well. SONYA: The only time we seem to argue is usually when I’m on my
period but notably a couple weeks ago when I had my period you didn’t notice at all which is a big YAY! Now to keep
it consistent. VINEETO: You might like this section from Richard’s journal, which I found while looking for something else, revelling in the delights of peaceful and harmonious companionship –
Enjoy, and then some more.
SONYA: So I’ve constantly been having a few thoughts in the back of my mind that keep popping up so I thought Ill try write them down and try to figure out what’s going on with love for me. I would say largely that love is out of the picture for me. I see to an extent that love is a double edged sword and doesn’t deliver the goods. To me, it’s a heavy, serious, sickly and always made me feel icky. I would say I’ve never fallen balls deep in that kind of “romantic” love. It would “give me the ick” when someone would fall in love with me. So, when I met Kuba and he said he wasn’t interested in love that was ideal. Fast forward into our relationship, loving feelings of course began to develop for the first time. Being 19/20 and still figuring out a lot about life, this new whirl wind of feelings hit like a tonne of bricks. Kuba and I never really fed into the loving feels but they were still somewhat there for me. Of course from it arose insecurities, expectations, control etc. I found that I was losing myself to some extent, I would do things out of love and if it wasn’t reciprocated I got upset. Each time that conflict or bad feelings would come up because of love I dismissed it and brushed it under the rug. I think cause we never really talked about it and I didn’t see the sense of it to a certain extent, it never grew past a certain point but it was still there. VINEETO: Hi Sonya, You really describe well how all the feelings under the umbrella of love are actually being in the way of feeling happy and harmless, of enjoying and appreciating being alive. And then how you looked at them, and more and more discovered that it makes simply no sense to keep having the same expectations resulting in the same disappointment, because of the ‘narrative’ of love. SONYA: I did eventually manage to eliminate most of it when I realised that I was getting upset and keeping love around by relating to Kuba as my ‘boyfriend’ and being in a ‘relationship’ with him. That came with all the expectations of those roles that I put on him and myself and that included the loving feelings. I think after realising that and freeing myself from those expectations and Kuba from my expectations from him I was able to stand on my two feet a bit more and interact Kuba in a fresher way. Less expectations, more fun, light, playful. I thought the job was done. Nope, I was reading “A Bit of Vineeto” today when the below clicked for me.
VINEETO: This “feeling ‘connected’” can have different flavours, and only what prevents you from enjoying and appreciating at this moment needs to be looked at this moment. If relying on Kuba makes you insecure then you already know how you can do something about it. It’s a matter of actualising your insight. When you sharpen your affective awareness and tend to each obstacle, each interference preventing you from being gay and naïve, then you will see how the strong “feeling ‘connected’” eventually weakens and disappears altogether. It’s often only a habitual way of being which you can change once you notice it. SONYA: The main crux of love was largely diminished but I am still feeling connected to him.
My feelings are still influenced by how he’s feeling. For a while I could say that I wasn’t in love with Kuba but
there was something still there that was in the way of experiencing him directly without tinted glasses and I think it’s
the feeling of being connected. I am not yet standing on my own two feet and still looking to Kuba to hold my hand. VINEETO: You also said –
You can follow the lead of your “ah ha!” moment SONYA: I’d like to say that I also feel like such a fraud being in very feminine spaces and
not believing in love, it does feel a little lonely at times but I also know I can’t go back to believing in it
after seeing it for what it is. VINEETO: That’s excellent that you know you can’t go back, and the original unfamiliarity will soon pass because you are discovering something better than “believing in love”. You can explore more and more being vitally interested, appreciate, enjoy the other’s company, be fascinated of what he or you are saying next, doing next … and explore more and more intimacy free from the burden of love. And have fun (love is really a very serious business). SONYA: For me it was seeing what someone was like when they were in love, and how someone who
cared for me but wasn’t in love with me behaved. For the latter, we were both still living our own lives but didn’t
fall into the typical ‘roles’ which meant less expectations and less resentment. In fact, there was just more
caring and less control, manipulation. I think originally there was still some scepticism into exploring what a
partnership will be like without love but I can say experientially it’s the way to go. I also had to keep in mind
that we weren’t just eliminating love but replacing it with something better and care and appreciation had to be at
the forefront. VINEETO: For someone who says she feels “a little lonely” for “not believing in love” you are quite eloquent in how many benefits the alternative way of relating has. Who knows, you might even infect others with stories of making a success of your partnership.
VINEETO: This “feeling ‘connected’” can have different flavours, and only what prevents you from enjoying and appreciating at this moment needs to be looked at this moment. If relying on Kuba makes you insecure then you already know how you can do something about it. SONYA: Yes, I think this is the nurture aspect coming in for me. I still feel nurturing to Kuba, if he is happy then I am happy, if he is upset, I’ll be upset (luckily he is very rarely upset nowadays) and I tend to lean more towards doing things that make him happy first. Of course, I enjoy cooking/ baking foods that he likes or giving him a pedicure/ manicure and that doesn’t have to stop but it’s the feeling of nurturing him that’s the issue. Haha I see it a bit more now, it’s very one-sided. On my side, I’m playing the nurturing game, ‘taking care’ of him etc. On his side he’s just enjoying some warm brownies and nice cuticles. And I am holding on to this feeling of connection and being connected so I can still play the nurture game! VINEETO: Hi Sonya, Ah, ‘Vineeto’ spoke about her concerns regards nurture in the Out-from-Control video. You can check out other aspects of nurture yourself (apart from fellowship regard). For instance, what agenda do ‘you’ have to nurture him above and beyond fellowship regard? What benefit do you gain from “feeling connected” so much so that you are willing to worry about it/about him and are only happy when he is happy? Remember, it’s often the ‘good’ feelings which keep the equivalent ‘bad’ feelings in place. It’s certainly worth looking into it because it prevents you from unconditionally enjoying this moment of being alive or appreciating both yourself and him as two autonomous human beings getting on well with each other. * VINEETO: For someone who says she feels “a little lonely” for “not believing in love” you are quite eloquent in how many benefits the alternative way of relating has. Who knows, you might even infect others with stories of making a success of your partnership. SONYA: I think it’s more in relation with other women and
leaving the sisterhood behind, I sometimes feel like my friends are speaking a different language and I sometimes feel
sad or awkward I can’t join in on the conversation. There’s a fear that I won’t be fun or interesting anymore.
That now with love largely out the picture there is less drama in my life. I can’t complain or get angry alongside
them. How odd that despite all the good things that have come out of not prioritising love I am still sad to leave it
behind and not participate in the dramas that come with it. VINEETO: Mmh, the need to belong has a strong pull. The courage to live according to your own convictions – especially when they are informed by the sincere intent to be happy and harmless – will come when you take the first (or next) step in that direction, and with every step you take the required daring is sourced in the thrilling/ exciting part of fear and readily available when the situation calls for it. After feeling being ‘Vineeto’ started with actualism and knew with certainty that this is the direction ‘she’ wanted to go in life, it soon became quite obvious to ‘her’ that ‘she’ had no longer much in common with previous friends and acquaintances. They preferred goals ‘she’ no longer shared – and to follow ‘her’ own chosen path was more important than accommodating friendship or acquaintances which weren’t satisfactory. ‘She’ also found that most would revel in exchanging various resentments and complaints and looking for sympathy for their grievances. It wasn’t fun. So, since you already found out for yourself, by experience, that a love relationship is inferior to a partnership based on appreciation and enjoyment, why would you want to pretend it is otherwise just to belong to a group of women with whom you have nothing in common with?
VINEETO: what agenda do ‘you’ have to nurture him above and beyond fellowship regard? What benefit do you gain from “feeling connected” so much so that you are willing to worry about it/about him and are only happy when he is happy? SONYA: So I’ve been thinking about this and I think the answer is that for me as a woman, part of my ‘super power’ is the nurture. It’s how ‘I’ can relate to people. When I was younger it was being nurtured and now as I am getting older it is to do the nurturing. It places me in society, if I am nurturing I’m a ‘good’ woman, so ‘I’ have a vested interest in keeping the nurture around, it makes ‘me’ feel safe to be considered a ‘good’ woman to society. On the flipside, if ‘I’ am not nurturing, I’m cold, a bitch, etc… Although by ‘normal’ standards I’m not a overtly nurturing person and most people wouldn’t describe me as nurturing, and yet no one has described me as cold or a bitch either. So this knee jerk reaction of fear that without nurture I’m going to be an evil robot is silly. It’s the same concern that came up when questioning love. It’s not an either or, it’s the third alternative. I think the reason why I also want to keep ‘feeling connected’ is so I’m not solely responsible for my own happiness. So, I can rely on Kuba if I am happy or not, If he’s upset, then I subsequently get upset and can easily blame him for me being upset. It’s getting easier to grab it by the throat and look at it now when the feeling comes up. It’s the fear of standing on my own two feet and being accountable for my own happiness, without ‘feeling connected’ who can I blame when I am being upset? VINEETO: Hi Sonya, You found some excellent reasons why you so far shied away from giving up “‘feeling connected’”, and also that you found them not really compelling. It seems the one closest to home is the last one – “who can I blame when I am being upset?” Who indeed, when you give this pattern up, can you blame? Then the responsibility, and the
capacity, to change is in your hands and in your hands alone and, as Ian so excellently explained how to do it on
another issue * VINEETO: So, since you already found out for yourself, by experience, that a love relationship is inferior to a partnership based on appreciation and enjoyment, why would you want to pretend it is otherwise just to belong to a group of women with whom you have nothing in common with? SONYA: I had my best friend visit me over the weekend, she knows
I don’t prioritise love and she can experientially see that I still care for here and have not become an evil robot.
I’m frank with her about actualism whenever she asks and I really enjoy spending time with her. She is someone apart
from Kuba whom I’m not scared to be transparent with. Yet there is still a bit of ‘sisterhood’ that I am not
quite letting go of yet, I know I don’t love her, she knows that as well and accepts that care and consideration is
a priority for me over love for her. And with each little step of progress that I make I am taking a step away from
sisterhood and into something much more substantial, that isn’t the ‘doom and gloom’ or the spiritual ‘mystery’
of being a ‘woman’ or ‘womanhood’. It is relating that is more than that. I don’t see the benefit of staying
in the ‘sisterhood’ with its flipside, it isn’t ‘safe’ and it isn’t reliable. And I know that I won’t be
an evil robot without it. It also doesn’t mean that I have to never interact with my female friends. VINEETO: This sounds encouraging that your belief of the overall structure of “‘sisterhood’” and related loyalty is slowing losing its credibility and is less compelling than before to follow its associated beliefs. You are also discovering that you can replace those beliefs with genuine care and consideration and enjoy each other’s company even more. Isn’t it remarkable what beneficial results attentiveness and sincere contemplation can bring about.
SONYA: I’m just popping this on here cause this has kinda been an ongoing issue that pops up for me quite often and I’m getting sick of it It’s gonna look a bit mental but it’s just word vomit I am trying to make sense of so any help would be appreciated. 11/07/25 – Got upset because I FELT (feeling not fact) Kuba was blaming me for not being able to take jobs on the weekend (…) He changed his mind/ job requests came in – nothing I can do about it/ I did what I could so he could decide what he wanted to do on Friday… so why do I feel blame? – VINEETO: Hi Sonya, What you report is quite a complex situation for you. Hence it might be useful to peel it like an onion. First you report there are the feelings of upset and then blame. Have you noticed how these are almost always come one right after the other, almost indistinguishable from each other. But they are two different feeling. You felt upset because your plans/ expectations were disrupted and then you find someone to blame for the ‘damage’ done. This is the usual automatic instinctive response (so don’t blame yourself), but with diligent and fascinated attentiveness to how you experience yourself each moment you can separate them out. Then, still feeling bad, you endeavour to fix the problem but whatever you do does not help you feeling good. Hence, at this point it would be best to first get back to feeling good yourself while it’s still emerging before complicating it further with reactive action. SONYA: Responsible for how he is feeling? I feel he is now annoyed so now I am no longer happy (because I feel we are connected?) I feel responsible, have a thing about being in trouble/ told off. Authority as well maybe? VINEETO: You talked about this before, that because you like to “feel connected” you therefore “feel responsible for how he is feeling” and you try to make him happy. Yet by focussing on making the other happy you overlook/ ignore how you feel. Also, you don’t know for a fact if he needs help – it is simply an automatic feeling response. Because you feel bad you infer that he is “annoyed” and respond accordingly. He could well have been “annoyed” but then that is first and foremost his own responsibility. SONYA: I feel responsible, have a thing about being in trouble/ told off. Authority as well maybe? VINEETO: I only listed the sequence of events so you can look out for the smaller triggers and in future avert the (so far) inevitable conclusion (“I feel responsible”). It’s a habitual response and you have already found one cause – you want to be responsible because it gives you a connection – it is also possibly that it is an old survival technique acquired when you needed it. But when you get a chance to sort out facts from feelings you might find that it’s no longer needed for your survival but more likely a habit which you can question and replace with something better – a naïve intimacy perhaps? SONYA: This is similar to Ian’s post in some ways but I can’t
quite get to seeing the belief for what it is. VINEETO: What Ian did and reported a few times, he recognized that nobody else is responsible for how he feels. Taking back this authority to choose which feeling he wants to be (as in I am my feelings and my feelings are me) he can then look at his beliefs if they serve him to enjoy and appreciate this moment. Viz.:
If you exchange “being a good employee” for “being a good wife” then you can perhaps acknowledge/ recognize that you make both the rules for the “good wife” and then enforce those rules on both you and him and recognize that those rules are “rooted in fear of punishment but also in desire for reward, whether that is popularity or praise or both”. See if that makes sense for you.
VINEETO: First you report there are the feelings of upset and then blame. Have you noticed how these are almost always come one right after the other, almost indistinguishable from each other. But they are two different feeling. SONYA: I haven’t noticed that them to be different feelings before but it makes sense that one comes after the other. VINEETO: Hi Sonya, Good. Now that it makes sense, you have the opportunity to catch it and not have it escalate, and first get back to feeling good after being upset before considering further action. * VINEETO: Then, still feeling bad, you endeavour to fix the problem but whatever you do does not help you feeling good. Hence, at this point it would be best to first get back to feeling good yourself while it’s still emerging before complicating it further with reactive action. SONYA: Yes, I notice this tends to happen with me, if a strong emotion takes over I find myself reacting by trying to solve it. immediately which has never worked so far. I think I feel so uncomfortable and ashamed of being emotional again that I scramble and panic to ‘fix’ it and then of course get frustrated that I can’t fix it and then struggle to feel good again until I just stop and “let the dust settle”. VINEETO: There is a common misunderstanding by people interested in actualism –
So, you see, feeling “uncomfortable and ashamed of being emotional again” is only aggravating the problem, and it’s completely unnecessary. You, like everyone, are a feeling being and actualism provides the third alternative. Instead of either expressing the feeling or repressing it, you can become aware of the feeling when it is happening and acknowledge that you are the feeling (not just having a feeling). Then you have the choice to channel the affective energy towards the happy and harmless feelings. Not being ashamed of the feeling itself helps a great deal to diminish it in the first place and get back to feeling good. Then you can check out what triggered the upset. * VINEETO: Yet by focussing on making the other happy you overlook/ ignore how you feel. SONYA: It’s funny cause when I read that I thought “it makes me happy to make him happy” but of course that’s just me not being in charge of my own feelings and shying from standing on my own two feet again! It’s only relying entirely on someone else to react the way I want them to which is unreliable. The way to be “in charge” of your feelings is to be affectively aware when they are happening and address the situation as I described above. The more you get the knack (learn the trick) to notice a diminishment in enjoyment and
appreciation and get back to feeling good (by seeing how silly it is to waste this precious moment of being alive)
SONYA: I’m starting to see more now that I am entirely putting how I feel in the hands of someone else to praise or punish. It’s starting to make sense. VINEETO: That is great – now you can put this insight into practice each time you notice it happening via an ongoing attentiveness, which will allow you to decline the way you have been brought up, this habitual inclination to dependency. You already know it ends up in unnecessary trouble. Knowing this you can make an autonomous sensible choice. I wish you good success.
SONYA: I had an experience yesterday that I’m not too sure what to make of. I spoke to Kuba about it and he has an idea on what may have happened but thought it might be a good idea to pop it on here to see what anyone else thinks! Yesterday we are at a family BBQ on a lovely english summer day enjoying Polish sausages (my favourite haha) and chatting away. I remember that delight and happiness was amping up, growing and growing. I was just having a great time! I looked up from my plate and as I looked at Kuba there was a whoosh and it was like I was looking at him for the first time. Everything was so fresh and delightful. I was so interested in this face right in front of me. It wasn’t loving feelings because what I was experiencing wasn’t internal if that makes sense? It wasn’t a heaviness or pining, it was very light and fresh and outside of me? It only lasted a few seconds as he asked me “what’s up?”. I noticed that he was looking at me too, I got shy and the freshness faded away. Some of it still lingered throughout the evening but definitely less. VINEETO: Hi Sonya, I think what you wrote yourself some time ago might give you a clue –
And Kuba was most likely hinting at his own experience last month (2 July 2025) when he said he “he has an idea” –
SONYA: I remember that delight and happiness was amping up, growing and growing.
I was just having a great time! VINEETO: Isn’t it amazing what can happen when “delight and happiness” is“amping up, growing and growing”! So when you wonder what best to do, it is to be happy and harmless, and when it’s not only based on special events but just bubbling up because it’s such a joy to simply be alive, even better. Here is Richard talking about being harmless – and it’s not at all anything to do with being ‘unselfish’ –
There is more practical information in this correspondence if you want to read it to the end. So, enjoy, and give your enjoyment the tick of approval (appreciate).
SONYA: Another cool experience to log in! So, lately I’ve been kinda just been enjoying and appreciating as much as possible, this would mostly be in the form of noticing whenever I felt bad, seeing that I am being that feeling and being 100% okay with not intellectualising why I may feel that way or to try find any kind of “answer”. I’ve noticed that I’ve found it easier and quicker to get back to feeling neutral and then feeling good again. So I’ve been in a general good mood without any lasting dramatic flares. I think because of this I’ve been able to notice more when I start to head down that path, I’ve started to clearly pin point when my mood changes and just seeing that this is me being this way seems to nip it before it progresses further. Simply because there seems to be no “valid” reason to be remain upset about anything. With all this kind of happening automatically now I think it opened up a new level for me. Last Thursday, I was walking to dance class from my car. It had just rained so the air was cool and had that fresh wet rain smell. I was just enjoying walking, smelling, seeing, feeling the air etc. but not in a forced way if that makes sense. It was a simple direct experiencing of my surroundings. I was simply just happy to be walking. VINEETO: Hi Sonya, This is a great report – with less energy wasted in negative mood changes – because you learnt how to nip them in the bud or simply find them unnecessary – you are now free to enjoy, and appreciate, the whole smorgasbord of sensate experiencing which being alive has to offer. It is certainly another kind of enjoyment – the unconditional enjoyment of simply being alive. SONYA: I remember I was almost at my destination and walking
under some trees and all of a sudden it was like everything came into focus with the most clarity I’ve ever
experienced. Colours were so vivid and it was like looking through binoculars that were previously “blurry and
unfocused” and the settings had adjusted to a clear and crisp image. It was so intense I was definitely taken
aback and almost stumbled a little bit. It was quite exhilarating. It lasted a few seconds then faded back to
“normal”. After I was definitely feeling a bit shaken but not in a scared way, more like my definition on
what was a “direct” way of experiencing the world was turned on its head and amplified really suddenly,
really quickly and it has shaken something. There was a raw directness to it that I had never experienced before that
I’d like to experience again. VINEETO: It seems you had your first taste of “a “direct” way of experiencing the world”, i.e. direct because the feelings/identity which was blurring your sensate experiencing was temporarily in abeyance. It is wonderful and amazing when that happens and confirms that exactly this is what you want more of. You might like this one –
Here is one of my favourite descriptions –
SONYA: It’s wonderful how simple it is. I think where I was going wrong before was trying to figure out why I was feeling bad whenever I was feeling bad, and of course trying to do that whilst in that state means that any investigation led me to justifying and solidifying my “right” to feel bad. So, being okay with not trying to intellectualise my feelings meant that I was freed to see that I am being the feeling and fully experience it without repressing or expressing – then any time it came up again I would refer back to the last time that bad feeling came up and see that there was no point to feeling that way, it didn’t help the situation, it wasn’t “protecting” me from anything. In fact being that way would just spoil whatever experience was going on. The next time the feeling came up it would get easier and easier to nip it in the bud and go back to enjoying and appreciating. After the above happened it seems to be getting easier to come close to the direct experience again. I
keep getting fleeting glimpses of being close to that direct experience which is cool! It’s like I’ve found a road
leading straight to that direct experience that is so easy to get back on, it seems all I have to do is just angle
myself towards enjoying/appreciating and I’m back on it again. I guess that’s why it’s called the wide and
wondrous path. VINEETO: Hi Sonya, You have mapped it all out and it’s great you found a way to go back to enjoying and appreciating more easily and it easy that way “to come close to the direct experience”. There is one hitch though you need to take into account – when you had the direct experience you described ‘you’ were in abeyance. Hence ‘you’ cannot make it happen, ‘you’ can only give permission to get out of the way and allow it to happen.
SONYA: Hi Vineeto, Thanks for your reply, it was very helpful to remember this:
VINEETO: Hi Sonya, Here is where feeling being ‘Vineeto’ learnt this first –
SONYA: I think I had another direct experience again this weekend when I went to visit friends in London. I was in the tube of all places haha, it’s not a very “nice” place and can often feel quite soul crushing. I remember I was just sat reading my book, just enjoying sitting and reading despite the loud noises/ harsh lights/ etc which would usually bother me. I suddenly felt like I was on the edge of something more than my usual experience of feeling good. After a bit of back and forth within myself trying to take that step into the “something more” I remembered that “I” can’t make it happen and the only thing “I” can do is get out the way. As soon as I realised that and took a step back to allow it, it was like the same experience as last time, but I had perfect timing as our train was coming out of the dark tunnel onto overground tracks. All of a sudden everything was bathed in the evening sun, all golden, warm and lovely. Everything was so interesting to look at, nothing was “out of place” and it was missing that chaotic buzz the tube usually has. As I got off the train I was dipping in and out of this. I noticed that as soon as “I” would pop up again to try control it/make it my own it would fade away. “I” could never grasp it. Only when I got out of the way was when I was experiencing this directness again. VINEETO: With such meticulous observation skill you begin to learn how to bring about these direct experiences almost voluntarily, or recognize the atmosphere when they are most likely to happen. Not only are they delightful and wonderfully sensuous, they can inform you, a bit each time, about the qualities of the actual world when ‘I’ am in abeyance. SONYA: It was definitely less overwhelming then last time and it
still took my breathe away but I was having a great time. It went away when I got to my destination and “sonya”
had to come back to greet her friends. VINEETO: Indeed, the territory is a bit more familiar and “less overwhelming” so you can thoroughly enjoy it and explore what else there is to discover when ‘I’ am temporarily absent. It bodes well for more sensate and sensuous experiences.
SONYA: I’ve been really enjoying my drive into work and back home lately. The sunsets and sunrises around this time of the year are marvellous and take my breath away each time. Each sunset/sunrise is different but always a joy to witness. How lovely it is that I can sit in a warm car, driving to a work that I have fun with, enjoying
and appreciating this world. I’m finding less and less “reasons” and “validations” to be
anything other than enjoying and appreciating this moment. VINEETO: Hi Sonya, This is splendid that you can not only deeply enjoy “sunsets and sunrises” but also have fun at your work. When you are feeling good most of the time it is easy to pay attention to the few times when there is a diminishment of it and take note of the trigger before returning to feeling good.
Then later on you can contemplate on the reason for the trigger and make whatever changes in a habit, an attitude or a belief to make sure this particular event will not trigger a diminishment of feeling good again. It’s such fun to be a detective to one’s own hidden secrets.
SONYA: Hi Vineeto, I think I’m starting to realise how simple actualism is. Getting back to feeling good after noticing a trigger and enjoying/ appreciating this moment. It really isn’t much more complicated. I noticed in the past I would always get stuck trying to “explain” the feeling away which always lead to me going around in circles or eventually solidifying the feeling by some sort of mental gymnastics to feel validated for feeling bad. I noticed that because I am a feeling being I will always be invested in keeping the bad feelings around. But getting myself back to feeling good first before investigating anything helped immensely, it also made me realise that if it’s that easy to get back to feeling good, is there any sensible reason to remain feeling bad? Or keeping going back to that feeling? It isn’t a nice feeling at all. From feeling good it is much easier and clearer to sort through whatever triggered me. VINEETO: Hi Sonya, Ah, this message is music to my ears, and would have been to Richard too. The actualism method is indeed not “more complicated” than this. Of course, you look at the trigger once you are back to feeling good to determine how to avoid falling for the same trigger next time. Sometimes it is as easy as nipping the upcoming habitual ‘feeling slightly bad’ in the bud and sometimes it needs some digging to find the underlying cause. But it is obvious that it is always your choice how you feel – no one can make you feel bad unless you allow them to.
And when you say “is there any sensible reason to remain feeling bad?” and find that “it isn’t a nice feeling at all” so may also discover that feeling good feelings, “the affectionate and desirable emotions and passions (those that are loving and trusting)” are ultimately not nice feelings either because they lead to a lot of complications, disclosed contracts and obligations. The reason is that the basic survival instincts (the instinctual passions) are the source of both ‘good feelings’ and ‘bad feelings’.
SONYA: It was also helpful for me to realise that I am being my feelings. Realising that means that there is something I can do about it. It isn’t like anger or sadness descends upon me with no involvement from me. I’m also getting better at sitting with whatever feeling I am experiencing, rather than expressing or repressing. Sitting with the feeling to observe it has helped me be able to easily and quickly identify it, realising it isn’t really made of anything substantial and it is much more fun to feel good. It’s not so scary now knowing that I can do something about it whenever I want to. And yes I am noticing that I am having much more fun with digging around what’s going on.
Whereas in the past it was almost like “nope I don’t want to look at it!” and trying to will it away. VINEETO: Ha, this is great. Looking under one’s bonnet is meant to be fun. Now that you know experientially that you can do something about it – and also that when you resolved it, it is gone – you’ll be more and more enticed to increasingly find out what is occasionally preventing from feeling good and feeling excellent. That’s how you stand on your own feet, now that you realised that “it isn’t like anger or sadness descends upon me”. It indicates success with enjoying life and nothing succeeds like success. What a grand time to be alive, isn’t it?
SONYA: Hi Vineeto, Thanks for the reply. I think I’ve pretty much got the hang of identifying the bad feelings and getting back to feeling good. However, I have noticed that the good feelings are a little trickier for me to catch. Or actually, I do notice the good feelings but I am more likely to keep them around and not look into them. It seems to be easier for me to acknowledge that it isn’t sensible to feel bad. VINEETO: Hi Sonya, You are welcome. It is natural to first want to minimise the bad feelings because they stand out when not feeling good. However, when you examine the good feelings more closely you discover that they are merely the other side of the coin in that they all are rooted in the instinctual passions – either to ameliorate, keep in check and pacify the savage instinctual passion, or have strings attached that interfere with free enjoyment and appreciation. Ultimately it’s the good which keeps the bad in place. SONYA: Lately, to help me differentiate between feeling good and good feelings, I ask myself if I am being caring. VINEETO: Indeed, being caring and considerate are aspects of being harmless. However the word “caring” in the real world is generally synonymous with feeling caring, i.e. giving out affective vibes of caring, sympathy and compassion, together with or even instead of practical caring.
Perhaps you understand from the above correspondence that caring has various aspects – hence being considerate (including being considerate of the consequences of your words and actions) is perhaps a better indicator for being harmless. SONYA: So, for example, the other day my boss tried to catch one of us out because she found an empty crisp packet in the wrong bin (it was in the food waste bin rather than the other waste bin). Very confidently she asked which one of us had done this. I could sense she was quite ready to shame one of us. Turns out it was herself since I remembered and reminded her that she did in fact have salt and vinegar crisps the day before. She did very quickly retracted her readiness to chastise and I could sense she felt rather humiliated. In that moment I felt proud, a bit smug myself. Of course I only felt these good feelings at the expense of another fellow human being feeling humiliated so being those good feelings was clearly seen to be not caring. I noticed that quite quickly and felt a pang of guilt. Writing this now I am brought to the realisation on how sneaky I can be. There I was, being the exact same way my boss was, in a matter of seconds I threw away feeling good for the good feelings with no care or consideration. VINEETO: Well spotted, your feeling of glee (feeling “proud”) was not harmless and the affective vibes you automatically emanated with your feelings were inevitably transmitted to your boss and the others in the room. The more attentive you are to your feelings the more you discover the finer nuances, which interfere with being happy and harmless. SONYA: Another one of the
good feelings I’ve noticed pops up quite often is the feeling of belonging. I think the feeling of belonging isn’t
caring. It means that you belong to a group and by that exclude others that don’t belong to your group. There’s a
Taylor Swift song called “You’re on your own kid” that always makes me well up. Essentially it’s about
the feeling of needing and wanting to belong. That is the other side of belonging, being lonely. So ultimately, to
free myself from being lonely (bad feeling), I will also have to free myself from belonging (good feeling). I think
hahaha. I’m kinda just writing and trying to figure it out at the same time. VINEETO: Exactly. The feeling of belonging is a two-edged sword. You seek to belong so as to not feel lonely, and yet you find that there are various strings attached in order to belong. In fact, you can almost call such strings (unwritten) social contracts because you have to behave in a certain way in order to belong. We have touched on it briefly before, when you talked about not being able to talk about the feeling of love with your girlfriends the way they do, for instance –
Feeling connected is also part of belonging –
There is a deeper reason why the feeling of belonging is so important for every feeling being –
There is more, perhaps eye-opening, correspondence here Another one of the good feelings is desire, and Chrono has described his own investigation into sexual desire –
There are more ‘good’ feelings such as other loving and trusting feelings like hope, compassion, gratitude and faith, but that can be a topic for another time.
SONYA: Hi Vineeto, I really appreciate all the info you’ve provided here. Reading the conversation Richard had about feeling caring vs actual caring has started the cogs turning in my head, it makes sense that I have never actually cared, and that the feeling caring is ultimately self-centred. It makes more sense to follow being considerate, it has less of that affective nurturing flavour of caring I think. VINEETO: Hi Sonya, you are welcome. Yes, actually caring only happens when ‘I’ am in abeyance or extinct. Richard’s writing about feeling caring doesn’t mean one should stop caring, simply to be aware of the nature of such caring – there is still a practical taking care possible and happening. Considering other fellow human beings and treat them with respect/regard, friendliness, kindliness, naiveté and amiability is certainly a less self-centric and hence a more enjoyable and innocuous way of interacting. * VINEETO: Exactly. The feeling of belonging is a two-edged sword. You seek to belong so as to not feel lonely, and yet you find that there are various strings attached in order to belong. In fact, you can almost call such strings (unwritten) social contracts because you have to behave in a certain way in order to belong. SONYA: Yes I can see that I definitely alter my behaviour around different groups in order to belong or feel like I belong, I always end up feeling like I’ve sold myself out a little after. VINEETO: Indeed. This altering of behaviour is what makes you feel “I’ve sold myself out”. ‘Vineeto’ remembers this feeling well but gaining more autonomy and confidence by doing the actualism method eventually resulted in ‘her’ liking herself, and therefore the need to change how ‘she’ presented ‘herself’ slowly disappeared. Here is what ‘she’ wrote at the time –
The more you are happy and harmless, the more naïve you can be. The more you like yourself the more the need for self-image becomes redundant.
The rest of this correspondence might be informative to you as well. When you understand more and more “the ridiculous part in all this” because “we are fellow human beings anyway” then the need for ‘selling out’ for the sake of belonging might also become redundant. * VINEETO: Another one of the good feelings is desire, and Chrono SONYA: Ah well, this one I
have a little trouble with. I’m not too sure if I’ve repressed the shit out of this or what’s going on but
sexual desire is not something I experience at all or very little and usually when I’m in my ovulation part of the
cycle. I think I may have repressed it only because magical sex is not happening. Being intimate with Kuba is fun but
he has said before, and I definitely agree that I lack the zest for sex. VINEETO: Ha, you might discover there is more zest hidden in the secret folds of your
being, stifled by early conditioning. Recently I told Ian ‘Vineeto’s’ story
VINEETO: Indeed. This altering of behaviour is what makes you feel “I’ve sold myself out”. ‘Vineeto’ remembers this feeling well but gaining more autonomy and confidence by doing the actualism method eventually resulted in ‘her’ liking herself, and therefore the need to change how ‘she’ presented ‘herself’ slowly disappeared. Here is what ‘she’ wrote at the time – SONYA: I had a Halloween party this weekend and without making a conscious effort noticed when I started altering behaviour to fit in with the girls. I picked up on it immediately! It was easy to realise I didn’t need to and in fact made more sense and was more fun to interact with them as genuinely as I can. It’s fascinating to notice what I get up to when I’m aware of my tricks. The interactions were cleaner, I didn’t have an agenda to fit in. VINEETO: Hi Sonya, Isn’t it amazing, by simply noticing it you can change in the direction of being more genuine and more happy both with yourself and also with others. It’s only a habit after all and has lost its purpose – if it ever had any. And, you know a bit more about yourself. SONYA: It was a little scary initially but I remembered to still
remain caring and considerate, so I don’t go the other way and turn into a bitter “unique” individual that
resent and shun the ‘main’ group but of course still remain as part of another group in a “us vs them”. VINEETO: This is a delight to read – it’s normal to be a little bit scared when deliberately shedding some of your familiar persona but then you had another priority how you wanted to be – considerate and caring and … interacting with fellow human beings. That’s what I would call using your native intelligence coupled with the intent to be happy and harmless.
SONYA: Hi Vineeto, It is amazing how simply noticing, coupled with the intent to be happy and harmless can lead to such change. I can say now I’ve reaped quite a few benefits from this. VINEETO: Hi Sonya, A large yellow-orange full moon just rose an hour ago in the north, shining its glimmering rays over the water. It is particularly stunning tonight – they say it’s the brightest moon of the year, closest to earth. All is dark and still except the moon and some town lights lending their reflections to the river, amazing and magnificent. It’s a delight to read your message. You certainly seem to have the knack to successfully follow your sincere intent to be happy and harmless. SONYA: I have to say, when I first heard about actualism it all seemed too complicated and intellectual for me. Of course this isn’t the case at all. I think I just wasn’t bothered to change and kind of piggy backed what Kuba was sharing with me at the time which had some benefits and some drawbacks as well – It meant that I never saw anything for myself or actual realise I could change and only I can do something about it. I also misunderstood the method massively because of this, and remained stuck with doing intellectual theorising and mental gymnastics to logic away the feelings because I thought that was what Kuba was doing and of course because I hold him as some kind of authority, believed I should be doing that too, how silly. VINEETO: Ha, so much better that you started to think for yourself and experientially
explore for yourself. Kuba made a similar discovery when he understood where his previously adhering to Srinath ‘sandpit
actualism’
Perhaps not being burdened by too many “lofty thoughts” and “psychic adumbrations” in the first place gives you an advantage so you can concentrate on the “profound feelings” whenever they get in the way of enjoyment and appreciation. SONYA: Of course, now I am standing on my own two feet a bit
more and taking accountability for the disarray and chaos I cause as an identity (whilst being kind to myself), I am
quickly noticing the benefits. It’s all very refreshing and light. VINEETO: Indeed, being kind to yourself, down-to-earth and unsophisticated you can do one step at a time and with each success you become more confident that living as happy and harmless as possible is doable and fruitful – and what is more, you keep on enjoying and appreciating this moment of being alive while doing it.
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