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(List D refers to Richard’s List D Vineeto’s Correspondence with Kuba on Discuss Actualism Forum
VINEETO: Appreciate this “stillness all around” as much as you can and then some more, it’s the most wonderful, mirificent and magically sweet way of experiencing being alive. KUBA: I remember in one of Richard’s quotes he wrote that perfection is only of the moment, which means that it can only be a lived experience, it happens now at this moment in time and this place in space. When I appreciate this “stillness all around”, there is exactly this mirificent and magically sweet aspect which is experienced, but it cannot be grasped by ‘me’ at all, it is only of the moment – it happens here and now. Nevertheless it is utterly wonderful and I can see that what is called “the meaning of life” is contained right in that experience. At times this mirificent and magically sweet flavour is brief, it’s like “blink and you’ll miss it”, other times like now it is rather stable, experienced to be all around. How amazing is that? To experience that the very meaning of life is all around, somehow contained within that stillness / intrinsically part and parcel of it. VINEETO: Hi Kuba, Indeed this stillness “is the life-giving foundation of all that is apparent”. Something which is already always here for the taking. * VINEETO: Ha, it’s always the hardest thing to acknowledge that ‘I’ am redundant, even though you experientially and apperceptively know that ‘you’ are. ‘You’ have done your job and have done it well, ‘you’ can contentedly retire having earned ‘your’ longed-for oblivion. KUBA: So I remember a while ago we talked about the “utter
fullness”, this is what ‘I’ am now experiencing to be already always here now. And indeed this “utter
fullness” is calling each moment again. The “utter fullness” is what informs ‘me’ that ‘I’ am
redundant. This is equally wonderful because it means that ‘I’ can lay down ‘my’ burden, and that not a
single thing will be missing. VINEETO: Yes. To expand on this “utter fullness” I’ll first reiterate how Richard reported Vineeto becoming essentially the same as him in an event on 28th of August 2011, in other words pure intent personified –
Richard: Interestingly enough, nerve impulses, more technically called ‘action potentials As a result of this remarkable event Richard had this to say –
When Richard died he left me with the floodgates wide open of an immense, often overwhelming appreciation, yet I could clearly experience that the previously established circuit of energetic immanence no longer existed, as it had been when Richard was alive. Now an event has happened for Geoffrey on May 7 this year which restored this circuit of existential immanence of human consciousness, and as such it is again directly, more fully/ more easily available as an ‘infinite sweetness’ or “utter fullness” for example –
As I wrote to Geoffrey, personally “I experienced the very fact that there is “an equal in the actual world” in the similar way as when Richard was alive – which is the first time I experienced this since he died. It’s ambrosial/ beneficent, the quality of personified pure intent, the intimacy of a fellow human being experiencing being the universe experiencing itself as a conscious human being, very pronounced, joyous, almost jubilant, just wonderful.” I have recounted this all to you, and all the forum members, so that you can choose to tap into
this personified immanence
KUBA: Sometimes I wonder why I continue to write so much, to describe these experiences. On one hand there is that tendency which I have to peek around the corner and to be overly concerned with meticulously chartered territory. But then on the other hand I am very happy to have discovered what I have so far, which is that the way towards actual freedom is not some enigmatic, special powers requiring quest, rather it is something that is within the capacity of anybody to discover, it is a down to earth and sensible quest. It is a bit like in BJJ you have the natural athletes and you have the coaches. The natural athletes tend to proceed forward and develop something like “implicit knowledge”, they can do amazing things and yet they could not convey what they are doing to another with impeccably clear instruction. Whereas the coaches have an ability to develop crystal clear systems which allow the knowledge to be explicitly shared, and those “amazing things” eventually can be done by anybody. It seems I have always drifted towards the second option, that rather than just getting somewhere I would like the path to be chartered meticulously, so that what has been achieved can be replicated by another in a more efficient manner. And it has been exactly like that for me with BJJ, that I got very good but not just in an implicit sense, that every step of my development I used to feed back into my ability to convey this to others also. And it seems I have done the same thing with any discovery along the wide and wondrous path,
that not only have I walked it but then I made sure that it was described in an explicit manner. Perhaps because I
was never the “natural athlete” both in the sense of BJJ and the wide and wondrous path, in that I required
a lot of instruction and a lot of feedback, it’s not something that I could have worked out on my own. VINEETO: Hi Kuba, Just a quick comment – be diligently attentive that this being a coach doesn’t turn into yet another justification for ‘me’ to hang around beyond ‘my’ use-by-date. Just can just as well “charter” the path “meticulously” after you become actually free – in fact, you will do a much better job then because uninterruptedly operating apperception is vastly superior to mere sensibility, and your ability to put yourself in the other person’s shoes who operates marginally different to yourself is highly improved as well. As long as you are a ‘self’, your perspective is necessarily ‘self’-centric and thus limited. Plus, you have then demonstrated by action that your coaching in fact delivers the advertised result – an actual freedom from the human condition.
KUBA: Yes thank you, well actually just a read of your previous post made this click, what ‘I’ can do from within the human condition vs what is possible when actually free, eg :
There is a constantly growing confidence that the time is ripe to go all the way into actual freedom. And as far as I can tell – even though a lot of it seems past ‘my’ pay grade – there is way more to what one does for peace on earth when actually free than just explicit knowledge. VINEETO: Hi Kuba, Just to clarify in case it was not obvious, the experience described above was a one-off. It may or may not be a hypothetical possibility in a distant future but when I go shopping in town for instance, people do not “smile to their ears” or something of the kind. The effect, if there is any, is far more subtle and very, very rarely communicated. Whatever benefits happen do so without my knowledge. And Geoffrey clearly said –
KUBA: In fact what ‘I’ do towards a virtual peace and harmony is way beyond explicit knowledge too! That ‘I’ might be able to offer some practical advice is for sure useful but it is the effect of the happy and harmless vibes that already does way more. VINEETO: Exactly, practical replicable help is certainly beneficial and it's best that there is nothing happening a ‘self’ could hang their hat on as that would instantly have a ‘self’-enhancing effect. KUBA: It is as you said the other day and I have been fascinated by this – the changes which
happen are not accounted for by the ‘controller’. And yet a lot is happening “behind the scenes”. VINEETO: Indeed, and this is part and parcel of the perfection and purity how the universe operates. Everything is squeaky clean in the actual world. It is eminently delightful.
KUBA: Wow I am having a blast lately. Things are constantly happening, and these are not just realisations, this is more akin to actuality “coming at me” without a break, not that I would want a break anyways! And this sense of actuality constantly “knocking on my door” is nothing to do with ‘me’, the momentum is not of ‘my’ doing. Oopsie… Looks like I am now solidly out from control . VINEETO: Ah, the genuine article. KUBA: There was one thing that happened about 30min ago which was especially precious. I was chilling on the sofa with Sonya and poncho (my dog). I went to cuddle poncho and all of a sudden it was like that veil of reality was pulled back and I saw both Sonya and poncho as actually existing. It’s hard to convey the importance of those words – “actually existing”. But it goes some way to consider that not a single one of the ‘events’ which ever happened in ‘my’ reality were genuine. That the entirety of ‘my’ life was never genuine. And now that curtain got pulled back and an actually existing world was revealed, so precious to discover it! VINEETO: I fully understand the importance of those words as I remember ‘Vineeto’s’ first experience of this happening, it was quite world-view-shattering for ‘her’ –
PS: At the time I didn’t actually know if Peter was in a PCE as well (he wasn’t), so the “two human beings (…) without past or future” is an incorrect description from ‘my’ memory. The “without past or future” experience was nevertheless the case for myself. (Interesting how the identity subtly colours the perception/ description in hindsight). There was another experience, even more intimate than the above described one, which Richard reported –
The last one I remember happened during the ‘Second convivium meeting’ when ‘Vineeto’ was out-from-control. Richard had entered the room, holding a cup with a drink in each hand and I exclaimed “Richard, I have never seen you like this!” He was naturally puzzled, looked up and down his body and couldn’t see anything special or different. In the ensuing conversation it became clear that I was suddenly seeing the actual Richard, and was surprised and delighted by the imminence and intimacy to see him without the veil of ‘my’ outer world perspective. KUBA: And since that event I keep getting that same
experience but milder, that the veil of reality is so thin and this actually existing world keeps coming through. It’s
almost slightly disorientating at times, not in an unpleasant way at all but rather it’s that things are shifting
around at a very fundamental level, that I don’t know which way to place myself, but actually I’m not too
concerned with that anymore anyways – I am having a blast on the one way ride. VINEETO: This is wonderful to read. Now that you know that an actual intimacy is possible (and potentially contagious) you have the additional opportunity to explore the territory of Intimacy Experiences and/or actual intimacy as well.
KUBA: So for a while now I have been in talks with my mum about various aspects of the human condition, the specific situation which has brought this up is some personal problems that have come about for a family member. We actually covered a lot of ground and today she messaged me with clear demonstration that she has seen through the “trap of compassion”. Which means that she no longer feels responsible/ obligated/ driven to help the family member, and that now her help is offered without an agenda. It was quite amazing that she has been able to suss this out! But the main thing that caught my attention was something she said at the end. That this family member has the right to be happy in whichever way they please. This got me wondering about the difference between the “pursuit of happiness” and the goal of being happy and harmless, why is it that 1 fails and 1 delivers the goods? Because this idea of “trying to be happy” has been around for a long time and has been applied by many well meaning people, so why is it that it fails? VINEETO: Hi Kuba, It’s a great question to compare the real-world goal of “the ”pursuit of happiness“” with the goal of “being happy and harmless”, and the ‘harmless’ aspect is indeed vitally important. KUBA: It clicked then that it is the harmless aspect which provides the stable element to one’s ongoing enjoyment and appreciation, there is no other way. What happens when ‘I’ set out on the quest for ‘my’ happiness is that ‘I’ inevitably gravitate towards the good feelings and these can include a variety of things – Love, compassion, pride, authority, desire, even aggression! These feelings will initially provide the illusion that ‘I’ am succeeding in ‘my’ quest, they are feelings of a positive hedonic tone and so there is immediate gratification, ‘I’ am hooked. Of course this is all a self-centred and tunnel visioned involvement, caring and consideration is thrown out the window as ‘I’ become passionately driven for another fix of ‘my’ good feelings. And not only is it that those good feelings are unstable for ‘me’ directly, they are also unstable on an interpersonal level. This “pursuit of happiness” cannot provide happiness as it inevitably stirs up conflict. It actually fails on all levels, it cannot sustain an ongoing enjoyment and appreciation for ‘me’ and it cannot sustain an ongoing peace and harmony with others, and those 2 things are closely linked anyways. Of course the end product of such “pursuit of happiness” is driven, self-centred and tunnel visioned identities trying to “get theirs”. VINEETO: However, a note of caution to present it only this way. In this own journey,
Richard was imitating the actual, yet, because of the lack of a precent, ‘he’ was captured by Love and Compassion
and ended up enlightened, despite ‘his’ intent of being harmless (demonstrated by his story how ‘he’ rid ‘himself’
of full-blown anger Hence I would suggest an addition to your suggestion of adding being harmless and that is to not overlook the investigation of ‘good’ feelings when attempting to being happy and harmless, enjoying and appreciating. The reason is because all the morals and ethics, principles and beliefs of the real world are derivatives of the value-set of spiritual enlightenment and are therefore the hardest ones to question. (When you have love and compassion and pacifism you will go to heaven/ become immortal). KUBA: But this can be solved so easily, one only has to add this very important element which is that the goal is to be both happy and harmless. Now this harmlessness has nothing to do with morality, or with sacrificing one’s happiness for others etc. No this harmlessness benefits all, it benefits others of course but it also allows for an ongoing enjoyment and appreciation for ‘me’, it wins at all levels. If ‘my’ goal is to be both happy and harmless then ‘I’ will very quickly notice that the good feelings hurt both ‘me’ and others so ‘I’ will not continue travelling down that path which leads to nowhere fruitful. With the focus on both happiness and harmlessness ‘my’ vision opens up from the previous self-centred and tunnel visioned approach, ‘I’ become caring and considerate. With the focus on both happiness and harmlessness ‘I’ notice that only the felicitous and innocuous feelings deliver the goods, that they are the only ones stable enough to provide an ongoing enjoyment and appreciation for ‘me’ as well as an ongoing interpersonal peace and harmony, and as above these feed between each other. This has clicked big time now, that it is the goal of being happy and harmless
that delivers the goods, it delivers the goods for all. This has surfaced some aspects of ‘my’ life where there
has been exactly that drive for “my happiness” and I see now that it is completely a dead end. It not only
fails for ‘me’ but it fails for others too. VINEETO: Of course, once you know that neither love nor compassion are harmless, and nor is pacifism (another strong moral imperative, including not to be judgemental for instance), then the being harmless as well as happy encompasses the whole range of investigations into the obstacles of enjoying and appreciating this moment of being alive.
KUBA: Hi Vineeto, Thank you for those replies, I did read them but there has been a lot going on recently. There was in particular 2 events which happened over the past few days that “shook the boat” quite significantly so I have been somewhat all over the place. It seems it is quite a precarious place to be in when the controls are let go of, I remember around Christmas time last year it also seemed like ‘I’ was on the verge of disappearing and then an event involving a fellow actualist also shook ‘me’ significantly. It seems like there is a risk of going out of control, like ‘I’ am very vulnerable. VINEETO: Hi Kuba, You feel vulnerable because with the sophisticated ‘doer’ being descendant you can no longer automatically rely on your socio-cultural inwit, a.k.a. conscience, to not get into trouble, hence you now need to orient yourself to, and rely upon, the compass of pure intent. Ha, Richard used to say –
KUBA: Also with regards to intimacy experiences I find
something similar, that when a lot is “going on” and I don’t quite know where to place myself, it is
quite difficult to allow such interaction, it is like I am operating with a fragmented mind. VINEETO: Mmh, why do you need to “place myself” – isn’t your aim, informed by pure intent and especially in intimacy, to lose ‘yourself’? The “fragmented mind” could to be indicator of a remnant hesitation to lose ‘yourself’. That’s where the tyre meets the road, so to speak. KUBA: I am always amazed at Richard and his mettle, how he went
through insanity to end up in the actual world, and with no precedent at all, what an incredible achievement. But it
seems like when I am in that precarious place it could fall one way or another, actuality or insanity. VINEETO: I suggest to first get back to feeling good before you make an assessment about your state of mind. Then find your connection to pure intent and experience the beneficence and benevolence issuing forth from the purity of the stillness of this infinite universe. In this stillness you will find the confidence and certainty that nothing can go wrong.
VINEETO: You feel vulnerable because with the sophisticated ‘doer’ being descendant you can no longer automatically rely on your socio-cultural inwit, a.k.a. conscience, to not get into trouble, hence you now need to orient yourself to, and rely upon, the compass of pure intent. KUBA: So as I was driving to work today I was contemplating on the conversation we had and something quite incredible happened. I saw the ‘guardian’, it was like this blanket that had been covering ‘me’ forever and up until today it was invisible, but invisible in the way of “hiding in plain sight”. But this wasn’t that a certain belief or moral was seen, it was that the entire structure of the conscience was seen. When I saw it there was this sense of a burden being greatly reduced, because this guardian is a
collection of all the various moral truths. It also consists of the shame, the fear of ostracization, isolation,
punishment, damnation etc. as well as all the various “worst case scenarios” that will apparently happen
when/if ‘I’ fall out of line. Essentially all that has been inculcated into ‘me’ in order to control the
instinctual passions. This guardian is a little like a strict parent that will only accept straight A’s across all
subjects or the child is a failure. It is not an intelligent process and as such it is not capable of consideration. But then at the same time I saw that this guardian has been ruling with an iron fist. That any time ‘I’ did not conform perfectly to the moral dictates that a whole mechanism would swing into action, and various nightmare scenarios would seem as if guaranteed! It’s like if I got to the end of using a self-checkout machine and realised that I did not scan a plastic bag (which costs 30p), and ended up just taking one. As I am walking past the security there are scenarios being played out of police arrests, and courts and being fired from my job etc. And it’s funny but this is literally how ‘I’ have experienced it ‘my’ whole life. This is the kind of control that the guardian enforces. So this is why when I saw the entire structure of my conscience there was this feeling of a burden being released, because I saw that actually such ruling by an iron fist has not been needed for a long time and yet ‘I’ have been punished by it day in and day out. It was almost like that child that has only known the strict and unforgiving parents finally being told that “you are doing great”. With this feeling of the guardian being as if “lifted off” a little”, there was also
this incredible sense of pure intent being accessible, like a broadband connection had just opened. When I arrived at
the hen party I was able to spend 2 hours with them with my conscience being as if irrelevant. I was operating
outside of the dictates of my conscience. VINEETO: Hi Kuba, Whilst it is illuminating to see “the entire structure of my conscience” and had the effect of “this feeling of the guardian being as if ‘lifted off” a little”, it nevertheless might be beneficial at some point to identify the specific aspect which started the whole sequence. You said in the previous message –
According to your report two incidents caused you to question if you are “going to be dangerous”, which in itself is a worthwhile subject for investigation for these specific incidents. But because those incidents themselves caused “shame, the fear of ostracization, isolation, punishment, damnation etc.” and then escalated, as feelings tend to do, into imaginings of “all the various “worst case scenarios””, you never had an opportunity to get back to the original trigger. This situation of strong doubt and fear you then “followed by a general contemplation that “operating outside of sanity seems like it could get me in trouble as well as be dangerous for others” in order to de-escalate those feelings. Yet these contemplations still left you at arm’s length of the original feelings by placing them into the overarching category of ‘sanity vs. insanity’ and the workings of conscience in its general structure. Now that those strong feelings have subsided and “this incredible sense of pure intent being accessible”, it is beneficial to trace the situation back to its origin so that a similar situation won’t be tapping you “behind the knees” again, as Richard said. Specifically, you might want to ascertain if have you been in fact careless to contribute to the two incidences, or you perhaps just blame yourself just-in-case because you were not sure? I had a similar question running after I had become newly free –
As shame was your initial feeling for unleashing a ‘feast of fears’ I also recommend Richard’s
correspondence with Jonathan on this topic from August 2013 after Jonathan’s visit to Australia –
KUBA: Hi Vineeto, Thank you for your reply : VINEETO: Specifically, you might want to ascertain if have you been in fact careless to contribute to the two incidences, or you perhaps just blame yourself just-in-case because you were not sure? KUBA: I will have to go into some specific detail here because I have been puzzling over this myself. And yes even though this ‘guardian’ was experienced to be temporarily lifted the contents of it have remained. So situation 1 : I was sparring with a partner that has been training roughly as long as me (about 10 years) and is by all means very experienced/ skilled. It was a competitive training round, with both of us working pretty hard to gain the slightest advantage over each other in order to score a win. The injury happened during a takedown as I had my hands locked around his waist and was behind him. He was training to insert one of his arms into the circumference of my lock in order to break it, and noticing this I hit a quick throw which took him backward with the arm still trapped in the lock. As the arm was trapped in the lock he fell without a post and knocked his head on the mat and was knocked out from the momentum. Now what I did is not an illegal move by any means but it is something that can be potentially risky, and in this case it did eventuate in an injury. It’s probably the kind of technique that I would not do against a beginner at all but in this scenario going against a seasoned grappler and amidst a competitive round this is what I did. (…) VINEETO: Hi Kuba, Thank you for your detailed report. It is quite simple – what were you feeling at the time and shortly before the incident? Where there is no feeling of malice of any kind – as in the definition on the website Personally, I would contemplate if I wanted to remain in a situation where competitive fervour can lead to unintended accidents, though, but then that was never neither my hobby nor livelihood. KUBA: Situation 2 : This is the one that has stayed with me even more, and it was a complaint from one of the customers for a hen party which I worked recently (I don’t know which one as the company understandably will keep their privacy). The complaint was to say that my behaviour at the hen party resulted in the bride being in tears after I left and that she was extremely upset. (…) And so basically this is where I thought was the danger of no longer working to the various morals, principles and creeds. VINEETO: A clarification here –
Given that you still have an affective faculty in situ, and without the previously strict guidance of inculcated morals and ethics, a structure with fixed rules no matter the circumstance, you instead rely on pure intent.
You seem to want it both ways – KUBA: Because yes I operate within the legal laws and protocols but in a situation where one’s character is judged it seems to be a tick in my favour if I also demonstrably live to the various moral and ethical creeds. Like in scenario 2 if I explicitly ask for consent every 2 seconds then it would work in my favour, whereas going by implicit consent of observing someone’s responses etc would not be considered as good. And the same with situation 1, I could just never do any technique that is even a little risky which would certainly prevent these events and yet it would mean that I could never hang with anyone experienced, as it’s just not how it works, there is a certain level of tenacity required to score against a seasoned opponent, but the general public does not know these things. Hence those nightmare scenarios surrounding some kind of public damnation. Essentially it’s something like a fear of being put under a witch hunt and not having this “oh look but I’m a moral citizen” to assist me. (…) [Emphasis added]. VINEETO: You now seem to put the responsibility for your fears on “the general public” while you are upholding your own inner guardian, your social identity, unless you have a blank cheque guarantee in advance. Only the active pure intent of naiveté can guide you and give you the confidence and certainty. As I said to you before –
And like Ian perspicaciously observed recently –
KUBA: And even Richard experienced all manner of attacks on his character. VINEETO: Yes he did – after all an actual freedom is most subversive – and how well and carefully phrases, mailing list members more often than not do object to the message itself, and then blame the messenger.
KUBA: I mean I have even spoken with forum members here and they have said some outrageous things about Richard and Vineeto, about what they apparently did, of course with this isomorphism in place the actions of actually free people are simply viewed through that ‘normal’ lens. (…) VINEETO: Oh, vitriol from others does not automatically cease because one is free of the human condition. What always mattered most to feeling being ‘Vineeto’ was that ‘she’ was as free of malice (the intent to harm) as much as possible, especially when answering antagonistic messages. KUBA: So update about situation 2 : (…) VINEETO: You may find that the more you allow pure intent to operate and suffuse you in the sweet tenderness of benignity and benevolence, the more caring and considerate you become, and possibly change situations with the foresight to avoid risks of inadvertently causing harm. It becomes second nature.
VINEETO: Given that you still have an affective faculty in situ, and without the previously strict guidance of inculcated morals and ethics, a structure with fixed rules no matter the circumstance, you instead rely on pure intent. KUBA: Yes so this is precisely what I was contemplating whilst I was driving yesterday, before I saw the guardian. I wanted to find something that is impeccable and the answer is pure intent. But I can see now that this conscience which I saw is absolutely necessary as long as ‘I’ am a feeling being. It is a fail-safe in that way because as long as ‘I’ am in existence as a passionate being then there is always a chance for malice to be activated. VINEETO: Hi Kuba, Conscience is never “fail-safe” as you can see by the amount of the mayhem and suffering which continues despite the rules of the social identity. Living within the human condition is never “fail-safe” until/ unless pure intent is operating uninterrupted. KUBA: So when I arrived at the party yesterday after the guardian was as if lifted off a little and there was the experience of pure intent being readily accessible, there was this sense that nothing could go wrong, that as long as pure intent is active then it is certain that I will behave in a manner that is safe for all. So what I understand now is that it is this connection to pure intent which needs to be maintained, and that when that connection is severed for whatever reason that this is as if a red flashing light. That the goal is then to resume allowing pure intent, because only then am ‘I’ able to live in a way which is safe whilst being amoral. Essentially that is to say that there is no other way to safely operate outside of the morals and ethics than via pure intent. Pure intent is the anchor to that which is safe and impeccable. And linking this back to my previous post, it is this connection to pure intent that will answer
my question of how/ whether to proceed with competitive training and what it will look like in practice. VINEETO: Presently you place your confidence of being able “to safely operate outside of the morals and ethics” on an ongoing active pure intent, which at least during the two incidents wasn’t active or ongoing – else those incidents would not have had the impact on you that they did.
KUBA: Also this was a very long winded and cunning way of saying that there was aggression there. I was feeling aggression, and in fact this competitiveness is driven by aggression. So of course when an incident happens there is the guilt, shame etc. The other thing is that I don’t enjoy those kinds of rounds, of course not because that competitiveness is driven by aggression and it can have all those ugly outcomes as well. The reason I could be cunning about it is because it is like a “sanctioned aggression”, it can be explained away “due to the nature of the sport” etc. But it is aggression nevertheless, it is far from clean. And seeing first hand what my aggression is capable of causing (no matter if sanctioned or not) swung all the rest of the drama and the avoidance tactics in. And now the above posts are basically demonstrations of that cunning and the avoidance tactics. But yes, to answer the question which unravels this whole sorry mess is that it was aggression, and it was coming face to face with the outcomes of my aggression that caused such a shock. And the same with situation no. 2, it was coming face to face with the outcomes of my pursuit of
the good feelings that caused such a shock. VINEETO: This is a sincere appraisal – affective aggression is just that, no matter if it is happening during “sanctioned” activity such as competitive sport or not. And you have perspicaciously identified situation No. 2 as “my pursuit of the good feelings” – those ‘good’ feelings, which so often get overlooked in one’s pursuit of being happy and harmless. A month ago you quoted part of Claudiu’s report of his meeting with Geoffrey
Now here is a thought – what about becoming actually free first before making further assessments and potentially life-changing decisions on how much you can rely on being actively and continuously connected to pure intent? Wouldn’t this be a worthwhile cause to sacrifice ‘yourself’ for the benefit of all the people who might potentially be hurt or harmed by ‘you’ when/if your own pure intent occasionally slips? If anything, these two incidents, which rocked you to the core, have experientially demonstrated to ‘you’ the imperative that remaining an instinctually driven identity is inherently unsafe for everyone concerned.
VINEETO: If anything, these two incidents, which rocked you to the core, have experientially demonstrated to ‘you’ the imperative that remaining an instinctually driven identity is inherently unsafe for everyone concerned. KUBA: Yes indeed this is exactly what happened and furthermore as you said :
So the social/ moral conditioning cannot provide safety either, basically there is no safety where ‘I’ am in existence. And yes whilst pure intent is active there is safety but as long as ‘I’ am in existence there is always a possibility of something happening. Those situations which happened they are still quite lukewarm events, for example in a life or death situation the full extent of ‘my’ survival passions could be activated, such as the example Richard gave of people stampeding others to death during a fire. And I know that no matter how diminished ‘I’ may be, the potential for a full-blown passionate response is always there, this ‘I’ cannot do away with. I think this is why it took so long for me to accept and see situation 1 and 2 clearly and sincerely, that I was shocked that these things still happen, and if those smaller things can happen then the worst things can happen too, it would just take the correct situation to trigger. So with regards to proceeding towards actual freedom now, it is just this last question of how on earth to trigger altruism, I say question but it’s not that I am lacking the intellectual understanding, more like how to actually have it happen. Me and Sonya were watching a zombie movie (28 weeks later) yesterday and it actually gave a very good example of altruism, I mentioned this to Sonya during one of the scenes. VINEETO: Hi Kuba, Even though you appear to agree with what I said, you have successfully pushed the decisive event of action away by transforming it, yet again, into a “last question”. Apparently, the two incidents haven’t given you enough demonstration to recognize “that ‘I’ am the unsafe”. KUBA: Because in the movie there is (of course) a zombie outbreak … then an automatic readiness to sacrifice their life. There was simply no consideration for ‘my’ survival when the survival of the species was at stake. So the altruism which they displayed it was out of their hands, it was activated by the situation. Not to say that I am now waiting for a zombie apocalypse. VINEETO: This can only be the cunning ‘me’ talking, having succeeded in surviving another day and another threatening shock to ‘my’ existence. If only ‘I’ could be the saviour … KUBA: Is this what morality is at core? A bastardisation of what happens when altruism is activated? That ‘I’ can “put the other before myself” in order to claim ‘my’ rewards? Whereas when altruism is activated ‘I’ sacrifice ‘myself’ for the survival of the species without any other consideration. The other thing is that altruism is clearly not an intelligent response, it is an instinctive response. Which is also why it does not exist in actuality, which is good as there are many silly reasons one could instinctively sacrifice oneself for – I remember reading a story of a man jumping into a hot spring after his dog for example. Now sacrificing ‘myself’ for the benefit of this body, that body and everybody is certainly sensible. But this is all good because altruism is essentially something that is already a part of ‘my’ repertoire, furthermore it is activated instinctively by the situation and not deliberated about by ‘me’, also once activated it causes a behaviour which is out of ‘my’ hands and whatever heroic qualities that are displayed are part and parcel of sacrificing ‘myself’ for the greater thing which is at stake. So it’s like the situation is already set up for all that needs to happen, to happen. Essentially the universe has set it up so
that ‘I’ can disappear. VINEETO: It’s your philosophy (derived from the imagination so ripe in the real world) which turns the altruism of the Actual Freedom Trust website into a “bastardisation” –
Your conjecture that nothing can be done (as in “is already set up for all that needs to happen”) is presently lacking one vital element – pure intent.
Today your above post from 29 June could have a different meaning than when you wrote it – it seems it is ‘you’ who won’t give up ‘his’ rotten-to-the-core existence despite recent experiential knowledge of the harm ‘he’ could cause. Not yet anyway, you say, ‘I’ am waiting for the “zombie apocalypse”. Is this really what you want? Just to give an inkling of what you, the actual Kuba is missing out on –
VINEETO: Today your above post from 29 June could have a different meaning than when you wrote it – it seems it is ‘you’ who won’t give up ‘his’ rotten-to-the-core existence despite recent experiential knowledge of the harm ‘he’ could cause. Not yet anyway, you say, ‘I’ am waiting for the “zombie apocalypse”. Is this really what you want? KUBA: In my post I wrote “Not to say that I am now waiting for a zombie apocalypse” specifically to make the point that this very dramatised depiction of altruism is not necessary at all, that there is already all the reasons in the world to self-immolate, and especially having recently experienced what ‘I’ am capable of this has been particularly poignant. So I am not sure if the rest of your post was based on the impression that ‘I’ am waiting
for something as dramatic as a zombie apocalypse in order to “be a saviour”, but this is completely incorrect. VINEETO: Hi Kuba, Thank you for your correction. It’s a pleasure to read that I got it wrong about you waiting for the apocalypse.
KUBA: Hehe yes and to add ‘my’ days of trying to “be a saviour” are also done, this I can say with confidence. Because how could ‘I’ “be a saviour” when ‘I’ know that ‘I’ am rotten to ‘my’ very core. VINEETO: Hi Kuba, My apologies for my dire error of misreading your last message. It’s delightful to learn that your “days of trying to ”be a saviour“ are also done”, just like that. KUBA: My post was rather like looking at this huge array of buttons that exist on ‘my’ dashboard and trying to suss out experientially how to trigger the one called “altruism”, what does it looks like, how does it operate, where could it be located, etc. I don’t know which of the buttons you are going to choose from your “dashboard” –
whichever it is will need a deep and passionate caring to give up what you hold dearest, your ‘self’. VINEETO: I read some writing from Richard today that might be in accord with your previously stated deep and passionate caring about to be innocence personified –
Viz.:
KUBA: Hi Vineeto, Thank you for your message it is very much appreciated It has been quite an eventful few days for ‘me’, definitely some choppy waters to navigate through. The miscommunication came right after I was rocked by the previous events and then I was rocked some more haha. VINEETO: Hi Kuba, As I already said in my last message, I am eminently pleased that your “days of trying to “be a saviour” are well and truly gone, it must have been a skilfully hiding, and a nevertheless influential ‘persona’ interfering with pure intent on and off for quite some time. KUBA: But all is well and it is what you wrote the other day that I keep coming back to, that I need to orient myself to this new compass of pure intent. When I was in those choppy waters it was like I already threw away the old compass but I did not have confidence in the new one yet. VINEETO: Yes, it requires, like all changes to one’s instinctual/ social programming, consistent attentiveness until it becomes second nature. KUBA: But things are already changing, Sonya even mentioned yesterday out of the blue that my vibes seem to have got softer, that they are like “round and without any corners”. VINEETO: This is amazing that Sonya is so perceptive of the quality of your vibes and can give you feedback regarding your emanating feelings/ vibes as a confirmation of change. KUBA: So I will describe this compass of pure intent
as I experience it – I experience this hushed stillness that is all around, if I “go into it” or rather
allow myself to stand still so that it can be experienced then there is this active beneficence which flows in all
directions, it’s part and parcel of the stillness. And when this is happening or when I am in that place, then all
is well. VINEETO: Yes – a wonderful, out-of-this-(real)-world description. With this “hushed stillness” of pure intent coming more and more to the fore and Sonja’s keen interest in how you are experiencing yourself, this is an advantageous opportunity to explore the near-innocence naïve intimacy fostered by the pure intent of naiveté –
KUBA: Now looking at the recent events there is something else that is becoming apparent. Because ‘I’ have seen that ‘I’ am rotten to ‘my’ very core and of course ‘I’ could not be any kind of saviour. But now is it that ‘I’ am still hoping to be saved or to be “made right”? It’s like what Srinath wrote a while back that the actualism method does not turn the T-rex that ‘I’ am into a plush toy. When ‘I’ apply the method ‘I’ am directing ‘my’ affective energy into the felicitous and innocuous feelings, and then later on when ‘I’ give way to pure intent ‘I’ am allowing that which is impeccable to live this life. But all the while ‘I’ remain rotten to ‘my’ very core! VINEETO: Hi Kuba, There is only one way “to be “made right” – that you understand deeply and comprehensively ‘your’ very nature and out of that understanding agree to ‘your’ demise. Not ‘reborn’ as ‘someone’ else, as another form of ‘you’ but in ‘your’ entirety.
Feeling being ‘Vineeto’ understood this early on (and nevertheless took another 11 years to become free) –
You have now reached the stage where it’s no longer “chickenfeed” to be a genuine actualist. Do you have the mettle? KUBA: But it’s like there is this hope somewhere there for ‘me’, that by being a ‘good actualist’ ‘I’ could be saved at ‘my’ very core, that ‘I’ would be “made right”. And this hope it will have ‘me’ remain forever, somewhat walking the wide and wondrous path but never arriving at the destination. VINEETO: Ha, remember Peter’s facetious quote? –
There is more where that came from, it might give you some clues. KUBA: So I guess what I am getting at is that all that I have done with regards to walking the wide and wondrous path, this has made exactly 0% change on what ‘I’ am as a ‘self’ which is – fear, aggression, nurture and desire. What ‘I’ am at core is exactly as rotten now as it was at the beginning and it will remain exactly as rotten until the day it disappears via altruistic self-immolation. VINEETO: Ha, this is not you speaking, guided by the “compass of pure intent as I experience it”
– “this hushed stillness that is all around, if I “go into it” or rather allow myself to stand
still so that it can be experienced then there is this active beneficence which flows in all directions, it’s part
and parcel of the stillness. And when this is happening or when I am in that place, then all is well.” This is your ‘self’ deprived of the now-discredited saviour persona looking for another “doomsday straw” I recommend, with the guidance of the “compass of pure intent” to listen, as a friend, to ‘you’, and negotiate ‘your’ way to understand that this is the only, and in fact the perfect, solution for everyone concerned. ‘You’ will get the oblivion you secretly long for and the flesh-and-blood Kuba will be set free from the burden of your instinctual/ social programming – for peace on earth. Only then your permission to ‘your’ extinction will be voluntary and magnanimously granted. With pure intent operating you are not on your own, the universe is with you all the way. I’ll copy in what I already presented to you because it answers all the questions, hopes and doubts you presently expressed –
KUBA: I remember there was the lady of Indian descent who became
actually free 24 hours after visiting Richard and Vineeto. In the past there was disbelief at this as ‘I’ had
felt somewhat cheated. I am not actually sure if she did much in the way of applying the actualism method before
hand. But the point is that ultimately it doesn’t matter, the method is an “in the meantime” method. That
“last bit” or for some maybe the “first bit” haha – it is all the same. VINEETO: Richard was always clear that the actualism method is what you do in the meantime. Also –
I found the whole message worth a re-read. As for the “somewhat cheated” feeling, it is entirely self-induced. In fact, when “applying the actualism method” with the aim of becoming actually free you have deceived yourself, as you now discover, that you have not yet agreed to the last step. It is all par for the course when one sets out to untangle and extract oneself from the maze of the human condition.
KUBA: Thank you for your replies Vineeto and Geoffrey Yesterday I had a very weird experience or more a shift. I actually have no idea what to make of it in terms of any “actualist maps”, certainly not actual freedom however for a good part of last evening it seemed like it could have been. I was contemplating on all that has been going on recently, seeing on one hand ‘my’ rottenness and on the other hand allowing pure intent, knowing that to proceed I will have to do something rather big, which is to proceed towards ‘my’ genuine extinction. I was sitting on my bed and reading through the recent posts and all of a sudden I became aware of quite a sweet smell, now this wasn’t the sweetness of pure intent, more an actual sweet hint in the air, but nevertheless is was actual. All of a sudden something shifted, it’s like I “came out” here where this moment is happening, then looking at that post written by ‘me’ it was like it was written by someone else, someone that was never genuine. And then it was (and has been since) like I could not get away from being here where this moment is happening, that there was nowhere else to go to. This experience lasted the whole evening and it’s like by all means it seemed like ‘I’ disappeared. Although I did become aware of affect still happening, and other clues which show that it is not actual freedom. But this sense of having “come out here where this moment is happening” is still present today and in fact I don’t know if I could go back to where I was before that shift. I have considered whether it could be an actuality mimicking ASC but the weird thing is that there was no sense of any pushing or any twisting of ‘myself’ prior to it, it happened by itself with none of that kind of activity prior. Right now I experience myself to be here where this moment is happening but there is certainly
affect still happening, but it’s like there is only pure affect and then there is actuality all around. VINEETO: Hi Kuba, I can’t tell you where you are “in terms of any ”actualist maps”” – you are “here where this moment is happening but there is certainly affect still happening”. The only thing I can suggest is to stand still, move neither forward nor backward nor sideways, nor up nor down (metaphorically speaking) – let the “shift”/ process finish itself. Or to say it in Kuba’s words from one-and-a-half days ago –
KUBA: Thank you for your reply Claudiu, The question is just what “it” looks like, whether it’s a door or what have you. “A door as big as the universe” seems to be a good target though! VINEETO: Hi Kuba, The following quote might give you a hint “what “it” looks like” –
To clarify: this fellowship regard relates to both the flesh-and-blood bodies of one’s fellow human beings as well as the identity inside those feeling beings, which is generating the very suffering that an actual caring operates to bring to an end sooner rather than later. The word “suffering” is the give-away. Viz:
I write this specifically in response to a previous post of yours on 9 August 2025 –
For a start, not caring for the “rotten” identity inside your body prevents you from winning ‘him’ as an ally to agree to your voluntary and cheerful demise. Why would ‘he’ – condemned and cast aside as not worthy considering, let alone caring about – want to sacrifice himself, and joyfully recognize that ‘you’, this very ‘rotten’ identity, have a vital job to do? The misconception in your argument, bordering on dissociation, is that caring for your fellow
human beings would keep you “chained to ‘humanity’” while ignoring what ‘being naiveté’
means. Only when I genuinely like myself (all of ‘me’), and therefore my fellow human beings, can I
allow myself to being less and less self-centric/self-centred via being naiveté, and in the absence of
self-centredness caring becomes more and more intimate to the point of near-actual-caring. Two examples from the Selected
Correspondence on Near-Actual-Caring
And –
Does this perhaps help to allow you to see “a door as big as the universe”?
KUBA: Thank you for your reply and it is very nice to hear from you, VINEETO: Hi Kuba, You are welcome. I had taken a pause replying to your posts when you signalled that you wanted
to “see where I am at without any of this information, without the map, without the recipe”. KUBA: I’m amazed how you are able to get right to the crux of what is going on for me. I guess that is an example of the actual intimacy which is being discussed, I remember how Srinath wrote (shortly after becoming actually free) about an exquisite attunement to others. And it seems that you are able to see me in a clearer light than I can see myself. VINEETO: Have you noticed that often other people can detect your blind spots more easily than yourself and vice versa? Of course, it goes without saying that the perspective of an actual freedom (apperception) reveals the human condition in operation much more clearly than feeling beings can see it – ‘Vineeto’ experienced this often enough when talking to Richard and, even though ‘she’ wanted his expertise, was often also apprehensive about what might come to light. KUBA: In the text below you highlighted this particular – “observing the social protocols” :
I am not sure why you highlighted this bit in particular but it is actually very relevant to me and how it relates to something which could be classed as an acutely empathic caring. I certainly would not describe myself as naturally empathic, actually my natural disposition would be something like intellectual-distanced. VINEETO: If you had read the quote carefully to the end you would have noticed the addition “[emphasis and underlining in original]” before the link source, which means the highlighting was not of my doing but Richard drawing attention to his then-correspondent (List D, No. 04) who had his own objections to “observing the social protocols”. It is a fortunate coincidence that this issue rings a bell with you. KUBA: In fact I would say that there is still something like a distaste for those social protocols as well as the general ways in which feeling beings operate. Of course this is where the dissociation comes in because I am a feeling being. Experiencing myself as if on the outside and “looking at all those feeling beings / social identities” with distaste can only be dissociation. (…) VINEETO: Mmh, could what you call “something like a distaste” be resentment perhaps? And could the “experiencing myself as if on the outside” with “distaste” in regards to “observing the social protocols” be a feeling of superiority (or elitism) that those “social protocols” are only for the plebs but not for me, perchance? If this is the case the dissociation can be easily addressed looking at the elitism, don’t you think? KUBA: And so I am not sure if I yet see the full extent of what you are pointing to however I can see that this distaste as well as the distancing/ dissociation is preventing all of me from being on board and thus allowing a near actual caring to make visible this “door as wide as the universe”. VINEETO: I find it interesting that you didn’t mention (or didn’t notice) the other steps I described but jumped straight to “near-actual-caring” (on the map). Ha, it reminds me of a kid jumping up and down on a rickety chair to reach the top shelf with the cookie jar. KUBA: Of course, if I genuinely like my fellow human beings then this would automatically take into consideration the fact that there is only 1 way into the world. Which means that those fellow human beings are programmed with the instinctual passions and furthermore they are programmed with a social identity (the social protocols etc) which is there to keep those passions in check. But of course something is not quite there, because why the distaste and the distancing. VINEETO: Perhaps a more practical – rather than hypothetical or ratiocinative
As long as you don’t like yourself, how can you genuinely like another fellow human being, let alone be considerate and genuinely (=naïvely) caring. They are just “such entities” like manikins in a video-game. KUBA: Perhaps it is correct to say that I am slightly different in the sense of never having been able to emotionally bond like others do – it seems this distaste and the distancing is related to this. In fact I can very clearly experientially sense out this distance, it is exactly that – this cold and detached space which exists in the psyche and it is placed between me and others. VINEETO: As bonding is not a necessity, rather a hindrance, of genuinely caring, there is no need to be concerned. Distancing yourself originates in the (natural) misunderstanding that the choice is only between emotional bonding and distancing yourself. When you allow yourself being naïve and naïvely liking yourself and others you can experientially find out that there is another choice, as was your intention when you wrote on 29 July 2025 “see where I am at without any of this information, without the map, without the recipe”. KUBA: So yes I think plenty of hints here, this cold and
detached space it has to disappear so that all of me can be on board. And of course I can see the immediate benefit
also, of being able to thoroughly enjoy and appreciate living amongst others. VINEETO: Not “has to disappear” – who likes obeying commands, even when they are your own. Be nice to yourself. * KUBA: It is like I resent feeling beings and social identities for being feeling beings and social identities. Whilst I am a feeling being with a social identity. But it’s like I don’t want to admit it, this distance it allows me to believe that I am apparently different. And perhaps I am different in that I cannot bond like others do but this is more a difference in degree and not in kind, because I am still a passionate entity. And I observed this as various people were delivering their speeches at mine and Sonya’s second wedding yesterday. I have always been afraid of a situation like this, because I know that in such a public speaking situation I would show emotion, some kind of fear, getting choked up etc. The ultimate fear for me would be that I would be seen to have emotions – this speaks volumes
about this detached persona. My biggest fear would be for others to see that I am an emotional entity just like they
are! VINEETO: How on earth can you notice and investigate feelings and channel the affective energy towards felicity and innocuity when you don’t even allow admitting your feelings (so that nobody else will notice). No wonder you can only brush all this aside with “I am rotten, we all are rotten and I don’t like neither myself nor them”. Did you know that the actualism method is to affectively enjoy and appreciate – it’s always easy when you come back to the basics.
KUBA: And something else that Richard wrote came up too, which is that without equity one cannot have intimacy. I could see that only from a position of parity I can experience a genuine fellowship regard. So I allowed myself to step off the pedestal / to remove the distance, I actually had a very wonderful time at dinner with Sonya, a very precious evening because I saw that equity and parity also set the scene for many other wonderful things, such as tenderness which seemed to come naturally. And these things when they are happening, they are so very precious, in fact they are actually priceless. And so it seems (at least for now) this elitism and resentment is gone, however there is something that has become apparent underneath that. And it is related to what you wrote here :
I noticed that there is something like a cap, to how much intimacy I am willing to allow. And it is related to this fear of being seen for the emotional being that I am. Because if I am so concerned with others seeing my good and bad feelings then I will also habitually censor when the felicitous and innocuous feelings are happening. That fear of being seen to have good and bad feelings it has spilled over to a fear of being
seen to want and to enjoy intimacy. Like I have made it taboo for myself to explicitly show to another that I want to
be close to them, somehow being “calm, cool and collected” aka distanced is taken as a priority instead. VINEETO: Hi Kuba, Thank you for your detailed feedback and description. And because you said that you wanted to “see where I am at without any of this
information, without the map, without the recipe” Perhaps revisiting the description of the actualism method in “This Moment of Being Alive” Once you get the knack you have no need to express any of your ‘good’ or ‘bad’ feelings, and therefore don’t have to censor them either. But affectively recognizing, acknowledging and admitting those, so far rejected, feelings to yourself is vital. Enjoy and appreciate the adventure of growing tenderness and intimacy.
KUBA: Thank you for your reply, I am considering now whether after all these years I have not fully understood this key aspect of actualism – which is to actively channel ‘my’ affective energy from the ‘good’ and ‘bad’ feelings and towards the felicitous and innocuous feelings. VINEETO: This acknowledgement that you are your feelings allows you to channel the affective energy from the ‘good’ and ‘bad’ feeling towards felicitous/ innocuous feelings by choosing to be felicity/ innocuity. KUBA: Which is to say that at the core of it there is no pre-set list of conditions which ‘I’ have to tick off as the ‘doer’ before felicity and innocuity is granted to ‘me’ – this is completely the wrong paradigm. It pre-supposes that felicity and innocuity is something that is granted as an end result of some kind of deterministic domino effect, all the while ‘I’ remain passive, waiting. VINEETO: Hi Kuba, You put it well – this is the difference between actively taken life into your hands and changing yourself fundamentally, rather than following the reward/ punishment template and therefore passively wait for an authority, ‘mother nature’, karma or some supernatural force/ entity to capriciously dish out the rewards. In fact, this is one big difference between the straight and narrow path and the wide and wondrous path. KUBA: I guess this is exactly what the ‘doer’ is all about, that is how ‘I’ experience life as the ‘doer’. In that ‘I’ operate from the back-seat, ticking off the ‘right things’ and hoping that the goods will be delivered to ‘me’. So instead what happens is that ‘I’ choose to ‘be’ the felicitous and innocuous feelings
instead of ‘being’ the ‘good’ and ‘bad’ feelings. Then ‘I’ am no longer operating from the back-seat,
‘I’ am directly and actively involved in how ‘I’ am experiencing this moment of being alive. VINEETO: This seems to be quite a common obstacle – to fully comprehend that it is not ‘my’ fault that ‘I’ am the instinctual passions (not just the tender ones but also the savage ones), that ‘I’ am not to blame for ‘my’ genetic inheritance but instead can unilaterally do something about it. The sooner this is understood the easier it is to be the feeling one chooses to be. KUBA: I remember on the AFT a correspondent asked something along the lines of “how long does it take for the actualism method to bear fruit”, Richard responded along the lines of “about as long as it takes to see that feeling bad sucks”. VINEETO: Ha, this is such an excellent pithy quote. It took a while but I think I found what you are referring to –
KUBA: So this is exactly what I am trying to point to, that the correspondent saw himself as merely a passive entity, hoping that some discipline will provide ‘him’ with the goods. This kind of paradigm has one as a victim to one’s feelings and moods and simply waiting and hoping that change will come as a result of ‘doing’ the ‘right things’. As if ticking off a long list of requirements and then handing in ‘my’ assignment to receive ‘my’ reward. VINEETO: More importantly – you can see that now. And as I understood you, it came about when you recognized that you had wanted to hide the undesirable feelings from yourself and others. KUBA: But actually it’s a lot simpler and more direct than that, ‘I’ don’t have to wait for anything at all, the goods can be delivered right now. What ‘I’ do is acknowledge that ‘I’ am ‘my’ feelings and then direct ‘my’ affective energy into ‘being’ the felicitous and innocuous feelings. VINEETO: Bingo, it is really that simple. KUBA: This is somewhat convoluted but I guess what I am
getting at is the difference between ‘doing’ and ‘being’. With ‘doing’ being something passive, living
from the back-seat, waiting, trusting and hoping. Whereas ‘being’ is ‘me’ actively involved in how ‘I’ am
experiencing this moment of being alive, no more waiting. VINEETO: Before you make it into a new concept or map or something sophisticated – it is simply a matter of doing it – each time you “feeling anything other than happy and harmless”.
KUBA: I remember a while back on this forum Geoffrey wrote about which articles or bits of information he would recommend to those looking to succeed with the actualism method. He wrote (paraphrasing) that “This moment of being alive” was the key article and this along with some other bits of information would likely be enough for anyone to succeed. But he also wrote (again paraphrasing) that he saw the “Attentiveness and Sensuousness and Apperceptiveness” article as potentially problematic for various reasons. I can see how for someone like me – clearly prone to dissociation and defaulting to a meditative like focus – it has been problematic. VINEETO: Hi Kuba, Thank you for this assessment of the “Attentiveness …” article I remember once discussing the article with Richard, after 2010, when it had been online for a decade and he wondered if it better be taken off the website because many couldn’t see the difference between Buddhism and actualism when reading it. But because he had many correspondences online about the article already Richard decided it was too late. ‘Vineeto’ never took to this particular article, in contrast to all other of Richard’s writings and correspondence. But then ‘she’ also never took to Buddhistic-type meditations – ants-in-pants was the only effect it had for ‘her’. During ‘her’ years in the Rajneesh commune in Poona ‘she’ was more drawn to dancing meditations and therapy groups of the humanistic express-your-feelings variety – which was then the flavour of the decade. KUBA: And I was always fond of that article, perhaps for that specific reason, that in my misunderstanding I would begin to apply that same meditative like focus to ‘examine the psyche’. This kind of focus can be summarised by the phrase – I am not that. ‘I’ would assume the role of attentiveness and ‘I’ would direct ‘my’ gaze on all these affective phenomena, looking at them come and go and examining them one by one. This kind of looking it was quite addictive because it was safe for ‘me’, after all ‘I’ was only looking at these things which were not ‘me’, and ‘I’ could spend countless hours apparently exploring the depths of the psyche whilst remaining fundamentally unchanged. Essentially ‘I’ would assume the role of the watcher. Now writing this out I would wager that I am not the only one who has defaulted to such a thing. VINEETO: You are certainly not the only one. It is easy to overlay one’s own real-world paradigm over Richard’s writing and look for apparent similarities rather than the vital differences. As such the very first words on the Actual Freedom Trust homepage are generally brushed aside – “new”, “non-spiritual”, “down-to-earth” and of course “actual”. You can check out the tool-tip right next to the title which details this ‘derailment’ of understanding. It’s all very amusing once one recognizes where one has gone awry. KUBA: What I see now is that genuine attentiveness to the cause of diminished enjoyment and appreciation automatically leads to change, it is only by acting as a watcher that ‘I’ can remain unchanged. I have often used the following example when trying to describe to others how getting back to feeling good takes place – to remember perhaps a moment when say the weather was starting to shift and affect one’s plans, and there would be this shift happening into ‘being’ frustrated or upset or what have you, and all of a sudden this would be seen – in the most matter of fact way – as simply silly, and it would cease there and then. I think most people have experienced something akin to this happening in their life. But there is no watcher in such a scenario, it is ‘me’ that sees how silly it is to let X spoil this moment of being alive, and this seeing is the ending of that particular drama. The reason why it works is because in such a scenario ‘I’ see that ‘I’ am ‘being’ frustrated or upset and that it is simply silly to ‘be’ that – the end. It seems I am untangling now just what on earth I have been doing all this time. VINEETO: You might find Claudiu’s report interesting after Richard suggested, in reply to Claudiu’s first post to the mailing list –
After further understanding what the original Buddhism was about as compared to the watered-down contemporary versions, Claudiu reported how he slowly extracted himself from his long and intensive meditation practice –
I recommend the whole page of this correspondence from February to December 2012 as an example,
to let it sink in that there is indeed nothing in common between Buddhistic practices and actualism, nothing at all,
in fact they are 180 degrees opposite. This theoretical & practical background may help so that every temptation
to fall back into the familiar grove of distancing yourself (which habitual behaviour tends to do) will start
flashing a red light of alarm for you each time it happens. After “years spent distancing myself from
it” [resentment] KUBA: Essentially it’s slowing bringing out into the open all these feelings and states of ‘being’ which ‘I’ have pushed to the side and ignored. And of course ‘my’ ‘actualist identity’ has solidified this even further, in that I just wouldn’t accept that yes it is me that is being resentful or anxious or what have you, it couldn’t possibly be me because I am an accomplished actualist lol. But as Claudiu wrote the other day this is indeed the case – that if there is a feeling happening then it is me, no matter who I believe or assert myself to be. VINEETO: Ha, I know from ‘Vineeto’s’ experience, developing an actualist identity is nearly unavoidable, and it’s beneficial you recognized and labelled it. As Richard says –
KUBA: And often it is little things, silly things, that I would
not allow “such an accomplished actualist” would ‘be’… For example just now there was this feeling
that after I finish training BJJ today I will not have anything else to look forward too. I know this feeling because
I have felt it for a long time, except that I would experience it as coming from ‘out there’ and somehow
assaulting ‘me’. But no it is me after all, and now it makes sense experientially what Richard would often
mention – is it not silly to let such a thing spoil this only moment of being alive? Indeed it is but I first had
to see that it was me all along. VINEETO: There is a perfect remedy for pride when it looms to get in the way – a healthy sense of humour.
KUBA: I notice that when Richard or Vineeto or Geoffrey write, those words are intended to do exactly that, to usher fellow human beings towards discovering their own freedom, and ‘I’ can do something similar towards ‘myself’. That when things go awry ‘I’ can assist and guide ‘myself’ through it all in that same gentle and beneficial manner – always back towards enjoyment and appreciation. It’s very nice to be nice to myself. VINEETO: Hi Kuba, While it is essential you be a friend to yourself, what ‘you’ ultimately do is ‘ushering yourself’ towards allowing pure intent to live you and let the ‘doer’, the ‘usherer’, step out of the way. Otherwise ‘you’ only will usher ‘yourself’ gently round in circles. Thought I mention it.
KUBA: Things have been going rather well recently, for a while it seemed like I had ran out of options to try, of avenues where I haven’t looked yet. I spent some time going round in circles initially and this past week something has changed. Geoffrey’s post has been a great help, in terms of providing direction of what to focus on:
It is such a great post, it makes me smile how Geoffrey has managed to make it so succinct and yet for it to offer so much helpful information. VINEETO: Hi Kuba, I fully agree. Geoffrey’s words encapsulate the whole story of becoming actually free. KUBA: “If the path is not wide and wondrous then I am merely lost in the woods nearby” amazing! I have spent plenty of time roaming those woods. But it seems like at the core of it for the longest of time I was simply not ready to proceed where the wide and wondrous path leads, deep down I wanted to retain ‘the known’. It looks like this time is coming to an end. I have experienced actual perfection and purity many times over the years and yet to actually live it – that was too much to consider, in terms of what a drastic change it would be from all that I have known. This is what has changed the past week, there is this growing readiness and willingness to actually live it. It is not pushing or anything like that, I just find that I am ready to proceed towards the end of the wide and wondrous path. Richard wrote somewhere that the question ‘he’ would ask ‘himself’ back then was – What am ‘I’ saving ‘myself’ for? And basically it is that I have ran out of things to save ‘myself’ for. The other side of it has been the experiences of actual perfection and purity, sometimes when I am in that just before sleep mode, when taking a nap or what have you, it is like I am being bombarded by flashes of actual perfection and purity. Every time it is the same response from ‘me’, that this actual perfection and purity is precious beyond compare, that anything of ‘mine’ is forever a second place, very very distant second. It’s actually very difficult to put into words the magnitude of the difference in value between even the briefest experience of actual perfection and purity and then anything that exists in ‘my’ world. So it is like the scales have shifted, that gravitational pull of ‘the known’ has been outweighed by this genuine wanting and readiness to proceed towards actual perfection and purity, to once and for all actually live it, no more dipping the toes in the water and then scurrying away. And so this is the kind of place I have found myself recently, it’s been very wonderful and
all-round no longer stressful. ‘I’ cannot know what self-immolation will be like or what life will be like when
‘I’ am gone, but that doesn’t matter at all actually. VINEETO: You now know the same territory as Alan reported in 1998 –
Once you activate the instinct of altruism, it can be all over in an instant. Dare to care, then you will care to dare. And as Geoffrey said: “Then there was nothing left. And nothing
missing.” Here a full moon shines dimly through a thin layer of clouds and its reflection and that of some town light twinkle on the gently rippling water. Perfection.
KUBA: (…) It’s very cool that I can see now that there is actually no-one stopping me other than myself, in that only ‘I’ can give the full permission and allow it to happen, that is in part what makes it so wonderful, nothing will happen against ‘my’ will, it will be a gift freely given by ‘me’, with ‘my’ full concurrence. Also just to add, when I say wonderful I am not sure if it quite describes what is going on – it is like the summation of a life-time of searching, it is approaching towards the actualisation of ‘my’ deepest desire, it’s that kind of wonderful… VINEETO: Hi Kuba, It is indeed a happening to appreciate to the maximum – what an astonishing, amazing and wonderful moment when the most joyous escapade is about to reach its ultimate destination.
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