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(List D refers to Richard’s List D Vineeto’s Correspondence with Kuba on Discuss Actualism Forum
KUBA: There is something that has been clarifying itself over the past few days, it’s a point that I have been understanding more and more over the years, which is that the actualism method is enjoying and appreciating this moment of being alive. It’s weird how this could take so long to fully sink in, but I see that in the past I saw actualism as something that Srinath summarised when he wrote that with actualism one does not turn the T rex that is ‘me’ into a plush toy. Essentially it’s that in the past I approached actualism as if it was some psychological or therapeutic method which would inject happiness and harmlessness into the structure that is ‘me’. And in this misunderstanding I would waste a lot of time with ‘investigation’ which just went round in circles. It was back to front, ‘me’ along with ‘my’ various self-centred concerns would remain centre-stage and any progress would have to fit into that structure of ‘me’. This is something that Geoffrey was quick to point out last time we spoke on zoom, that all this ‘investigation’ is wasting time. VINEETO: Hi Kuba, Ha, here is the person, having succeeded in dismantling ‘his’ obstructive tricks for being happy and harmless and declaring that all these investigations were a waste of time. At least this is how this paragraph reads to me. From where you started – and everyone has to start where they are at – these deliberations and realisations and insights, with the following actualisations of those insights – were necessary to remove the inevitable roadblocks which any lost, lonely, frightened and very cunning entity will/would put up for their survival. It is only in hindsight that you can see that your worry and struggle was in vain, because the actual world is already here and is only obscured by ‘your’ persistent presence. Why does Richard say –
– if the process of dismantling ‘me’ doesn’t take daring and audacity? It took persistence and courage to come to the point where you had to face the fact that nothing of ‘you’ will remain if/when you proceed to your destiny. And this is marvellous and worth your full appreciation. KUBA: But I never wanted to accept this point, because it meant that ‘me’ along with ‘my’ concerns are not primary, that enjoying and appreciating this moment of being alive is where ‘I’ become unimportant, it cuts through all the red tape so to speak. That the actualism method is about a self-diminishing inclination, ‘I’ don’t become a plush toy but rather ‘I’ become less and less important, and enjoying and appreciating this moment of being alive is the very means to effect this change, as well as being the end goal itself. The other related point is that enjoying and appreciating this moment of being alive is unconditional, that is why it is always available now, it does not take a step by step process or a length of time to become available. The “hard” in actualism is when ‘I’ try to fit enjoyment and appreciation into the conditional outlines of ‘me’, then enjoying and appreciating seems to be only available if X and Y happens first. Essentially ‘I’ turn enjoying and appreciating into a conditional affair, dictated by ‘my’ self-centred involvements, and then wonder why it is so difficult, fleeting etc, Meanwhile the option to enjoy and appreciate this moment of being alive is right here for the taking this whole time. VINEETO: Well said – and of course most people do this because this is how both the instinctual and the social programming operates in everybody. It’s really funny, only when the “hard” way, the ‘self’-affirming struggle, fails does one dare to consider the (frightening) prospect of trying out the ‘self’-diminishing option – such as putting everything on a “it-doesn’t-really-matter” basis. That’s where courage is required, scrupulous honesty and integrity. KUBA: So to summarise the past few days I have been observing that the method is enjoying and appreciating this moment of being alive, that this is always unconditional, and also just how much time I have spent as an actualist focusing on anything but enjoying and appreciating this moment of being alive. I guess this might be normal, in that at first ‘I’ have to sort through the mess that is the human condition and so ‘I’ have ‘my’ hands busy looking at this and that, and then eventually with the bulk of that stuff out of the way, the simplicity of the method hoves into view. VINEETO: Yes, that is why I responded to your first paragraph as I did. Ha, actuality
may well be “a joyful elephant in the corner of the room just waiting to be noticed all along”, as Felipe termed it
tongue-in-cheek KUBA: What I have been observing too is that with unconditional enjoyment and appreciation – of the very fact of being alive now – becoming a standard of experiencing, the various conditional enjoyments become a cherry on top of the cake. Whereas when that unconditional enjoyment and appreciation was lacking there was no amount of conditional enjoyments that could ever fill the void, then ‘I’ would become desperately involved, clawing at some way to gain happiness in that conditional manner, by controlling this and that but knowing full well that ‘I’ will plunge into emptiness sooner or later. To enjoy and appreciate this moment of being alive means that I have enough already simply by virtue of being here, and then the conditional things look so much different, they don’t ultimately matter, and because they don’t ultimately matter they can be enjoyed and appreciated fully too, for what they are. The universe has already filled the cup full – that is the way things are – and then it’s a question of just what I would like to do on top of all this fullness, which cherry to place on top of the cake, but it matters not ultimately, and then it can be fun. An excellent description and I much appreciate that you are able to experience it. You might like this one – . KUBA: Oh and I have to add that it was Vineeto’s wonderful post to Andrew that
helped me put this together too – VINEETO: Indeed, it is to allow this “little-used faculty: naiveté” to flourish, which will enable one to see “the “hard” in actualism”, the addiction to being ‘me’, as a superfluous appendix that can joyfully be discarded.
KUBA: Yes I see your point and you are correct, the various obstacles are all very real until they are resolved and change is actualised, only then it all seems to have been much ado about nothing and indeed it does take daring and audacity to evince this kind of change. VINEETO: Hi Kuba, I am pleased you can recognize that, else you might put yourself down for having taken all this time. Can you see that your dismantling of “the high achiever / perfectionist” was instrumental in enabling you to experience ‘me’ in its original form, stripped of the defensive armour? KUBA: And to prove the point you already made I have 1 real obstacle which I have been outlining recently. Basically I have come to locate this fundamental insecurity, it expresses itself in many different ways but they all trace back to the same place. Some of the ways it expresses itself in is for example this undercurrent of feeling that I may have made a mistake for which I will be criticised, that I have inadvertently got on the wrong side of someone etc. This feeling is what the high achiever / perfectionist would cover up in the past. Oh you know in the PCE video when Richard gives the example of “excuse me for taking up space” – that is the feeling! In that place it feels like ‘I’ am so small and the world is towering over ‘me’ and ‘I’ am just waiting to be crushed. And this fundamental insecurity, it’s various tentacles reach into many different parts of 'my’ persona, although now it’s a bit like the tentacles have been chopped off one after the other (such as the high achiever / perfectionist etc) and now I am able to see just that place of ‘my’ fundamental insecurity. VINEETO: Yes, I remember that feeling of “excuse me for taking up space” from feeling being ‘Vineeto’, who had compensated it with a workaholic way of always trying to be useful. This feeling of insecurity can be the precursor for naiveté when allowed to be there in its utter nakedness without controlling the original discomfort. KUBA: I can very much experience the flavour of that place, right at the core of it. I wonder is that feeling of “excuse me for taking up space” because ‘I’ know deep down that ‘I’ am a fraud. ‘I’ am insecure because ‘I’ am only a spanner in the works, and deep down ‘I’ do know this. The normal way to deal with this would be to be proud of one’s performance as an identity, to blindly and passionately defend that ‘I’ am right, good etc. But then without those tactics in place there is only this fundamental insecurity left. VINEETO: When the outer defences, such as “the high achiever” are courageously dismantled, and you refrain from forming rational theories, then it becomes more and more obvious that what is left at the core is, as Richard explained, a vortex of swirling passions.
Such perspicacious observing can also aid the acquiescence of ‘me’, the feeler, to lay down ‘my’ burden –
Which means, when you can be friendly with yourself whilst being this “fundamental
insecurity”, and slowly realize and acknowledge that oblivion is what you always wanted – then you have
nothing more to defend or to hide, as Pamela said to Richard in the PCE video (thank you Ed for the transcript KUBA: And it’s funny because it is a bit like an appendix at
this point haha, in that it has nothing to do anymore, no reason to be and yet it is just there. VINEETO: Not so quick, you may think so, but ‘you’, who you now call the appendix, does not feel so, else there would be no feeling of insecurity. ‘You’ still have a job to do, which is to whole-heartedly embrace the fact that ‘you’ are indeed redundant and consequently agree to ‘your’ demise. And you know when it is “whole-heartedly” because then there will be no feeling of insecurity, only joyous anticipation and marvelling appreciation.
KUBA: If I have ever been close then this is
it! The past couple of days there has definitely been a thrilling momentum not of ‘my’ doing. What is
different this time around is that the destination which I am being pulled towards is right under my nose, here on
earth. This is so much more down to earth than what was going on in the past. The kind of seeing which is happening
more and more is exactly what I described a while ago in this post VINEETO: Hi Kuba, Isn’t it amazing that doing what is happening and “allowing what is already here” is so stunningly different to how ‘I’ have lived all of ‘my’ life that it is worth writing it out in detail with exclamation marks. That is power of the instinctual-social programming with its psychic-imaginative faculty, and one needs to slowly disentangle oneself from its grip and seriousness. I enjoyed your childhood episode of somewhat recognizing then of “everything already happening” –
This is all part of delightfully rediscovering one’s childhood naiveté, only this time with adult sensibilities. KUBA: I remember a while ago I commented about what I saw as Vineeto’s unyielding optimism, and her reply was essentially that – although she understands why I would see it that way, it is not actually optimism, it is simply that actual freedom is my destiny. Here is what you are referring to –
KUBA: What I am describing above is exactly that kind of seeing,
it is outside of optimism/ pessimism or belief/ disbelief, it is seeing that to live as a flesh and blood body only
is exactly what we are all here for and everything is already in place for this to be the case. VINEETO: This “kind of seeing” is what Richard calls apperception and when it happens it confirms, each time again, where your destiny lies. When ‘I’ return, as ‘I’ frequently do, from periods of apperception, have you noticed any change in the intensity of ‘self’-centricity?
KUBA: Hi Vineeto, VINEETO: When ‘I’ return, as ‘I’ frequently do, from periods of apperception, have you noticed any change in the intensity of ‘self’-centricity? KUBA: Yes in fact I have! I was just observing this yesterday. ‘I’ have changed recently, actually this quote from Richard’s journal describes the change quite well :
I found something like a softness/ tenderness in ‘me’ as well as a growing appreciation, especially with regards to people, which is where ‘I’ always struggled in the past. Actually it’s a very lovely change, it’s something deep in ‘me’ that has shifted and a certain severity and solemnity is being replaced with something more tender and sweet. It’s nice to be nice, to be liking and likeable. And I was thinking yesterday why this change, is it that with what those moments of apperception show it is then impossible to go back to how ‘I’ was, that it is impossible not to appreciate and enjoy when it has been seen just how precious being alive is. But yes, as you say “When ‘I’ return, as ‘I’ frequently do” – this is indeed happening. Yesterday after ‘I’ came back ‘I’ attempted to rush the process forward by going back to ‘doing’ and then basically some hours later I realised that this is a complete dead end. It’s forgetting that those moments of apperception happened precisely because ‘I’ got out of the way. Actually it’s cool because (to use Geoffrey’s words) before ‘I’ tried to grasp the
process the “doorway” seemed to be indeed as big as the universe and then later once ‘I’ grasped it, it
became exactly “small and vanishing”. VINEETO: Hi Kuba, I appreciate your detailed description and the various insights you gained such as “it’s nice to be nice, to be liking and likeable”, also that when you resurrected the ‘doer’, the “doorway” became “small and vanishing”. It seems to me those changes happen without ‘your’ doing (when you allow it) and you often only notice in hindsight what happened, and slowly get used to the unfamiliar, different way of being. KUBA: Experientially I am quite familiar with the target now, I realise that in the past I actually had no clue what I was aiming for with regards to actual freedom so of course ‘I’ created imaginary targets and aimed for those. Whereas now I have utmost confidence that the world glimpsed in those periods of apperceptiveness, the world of the “utter fullness”, is the correct target, it is the actual world where this body already exists without any input from ‘me’. There is also a surety that to live in the world of the “utter fullness” is my destiny, and it is already here. (…) VINEETO: Now that you have “utmost confidence” you are indeed aiming for the “correct target” (very, very important), have you pondered the question of irrevocability? – as in Claudiu’s report of Geoffrey’s words –
I am not necessarily suggesting you are on a “playground ride” but the very fact that ‘my’ demise will be irrevocable needs a clear, unwavering and unequivocal concurrence.
KUBA: Although the matter of “how will the deal be sealed” is still an experiential
question mark. VINEETO: Your question will only be answered after it happened. I am reminded of a conversation I had with Claudiu –
VINEETO: Now that you have “utmost confidence" you are indeed aiming for the “correct target" (very, very important), have you pondered the question of irrevocability? KUBA: I have been pondering this question of irrevocability, whilst making sure I don’t invite the ‘doer’ in the process haha. But really the danger is in remaining ‘me’, or even the possibility of a ‘me’ to return
to, the irrevocability is actually a blessing. That’s as far as the pondering has come to. VINEETO: Hi Kuba, Mmh, you have the cart before the horse. What you call “the danger is in remaining ‘me’” is a hope in disguise. If you feel that there is a “possibility of a ‘me’ to return” then the consent to ‘your’ demise is not total. And unless it is total it will not happen. It’s altogether a very fascinating process.
KUBA: Hi Vineeto, Thank you, I find it amazing that you can articulate what you just did! It reminds me of a forum member coming to the (clearly erroneous) conclusion that Richard’s and Vineeto’s “poor arguments” regarding climate change are a potential sign of early onset dementia or something of the kind… VINEETO: Hi Kuba, I re-read the paragraph you mentioned KUBA: Yes I see your point loud and clear – The totality and
irrevocability of ‘my’ demise has not been grasped fully to begin with if ‘I’ am entertaining scenarios of
‘me’ coming back or not, it is hope and despair in disguise. VINEETO: Yes, when you have fully grasped “the totality and irrevocability of ‘my’ demise” there will be no doubts left. No phoenix can rise from the ashes – there won’t be any ashes. I read Srinath becoming-free-report again and this part stood out –
VINEETO: I re-read the paragraph you mentioned KUBA: Oh there was no connection to the main thrust of our discussion, it was more a side point, that I found it quite amazing that you were able to articulate what you did in your reply to me, it would have my head spinning to try to put it into words. Because it not only takes that you understand from ‘my’ descriptions what is going on but then you are able to relate it back in a way that makes sense. Basically not something that a person with impaired cognitive faculties would be capable of doing. I guess just the clarity of it all stood out to me. I do personally find that with ‘me’ more out of the way the brain is able to operate with much more clarity. I
notice this when I try to speak polish, because I left Poland 20 years ago and don’t speak the language almost
ever, except when I visit family etc. And I noticed that in those periods when ‘I’ am virtually out of the way my
polish is rather crisp! and then when ‘I’ am back muddling things up it gets very broken again haha. VINEETO: Hi Kuba, Ah, I understand now. You were reminded of yourself being similarly ‘muddled’ as the commentator once was in the ‘Global Warming’ thread. It is always astounding – and ‘Vineeto’ experienced it regularly – how the moment a feeling takes hold, any clear thinking goes out the window. Hence the suggestion to get back to feeling good before contemplating about the trigger which had caused a diminishment in enjoying and appreciating being alive. * VINEETO: Yes, when you have fully grasped “the totality and irrevocability of ‘my’ demise” there will be no doubts left. No phoenix can rise from the ashes – there won’t be any ashes. I read Srinath becoming-free-report again and this part stood out –
KUBA: Hmm it’s quite fascinating, it seems to me that I have had glimpses of this, especially the past week or so there has been times with that kind of experiencing, where it seems it could have happened at any moment. BUT there was always this sense of choice, that I could go this way or that way, rather than it being an inevitability, which I presume is where the enormity of it can be fully grasped. VINEETO: Ha, don’t postpone the exploring the enormity of the fact that you will need to cease ‘being’ in your totality because at present you don’t experience “it being an inevitability”. Again, it is in your hands how much you allow ‘self’-immolation to become an obsession as Srinath described it well in the lead-up to his own event –
KUBA: The words “it could happen” means that ‘I’ still have a choice, some wiggle room, and where there is wiggle room, ‘I’ wiggle out! Reading Srinath’s words, ‘he’ had no choice at that pivotal moment of seeing – “I would need to truly die. The enormity of this dawned on me suddenly like it never had before. The enormity of what I had to give up. It took my breath away.” VINEETO: You do realise, do you, that Srinath had no choice because he gave himself no longer a choice? He wanted it so totally (“I wanted to be free so badly”) that there was no question of backing out again, and even a PCE-come-ASC could not divert him from his destiny. It seems to me that unless you put all your eggs in one basket and thus increase the intensity of wanting it like you never ever wanted anything before, you’ll be dilly-dallying until your hair go grey. KUBA: Indeed it looks that for altruism to be activated there can be no choice left for ‘me’, only the seeing which triggers “immediate and irrevocable action”. It is as if ‘I’ have been progressively removing the various choices, that is the very aspect of approaching ‘my’
destiny, but there is still currently some wiggle room left, and so ‘I’ can go on for a little longer. VINEETO: It sounds like you are merely theorizing when you say “it looks that” and “it is as if” and that you have not yet fully engaged in finding the definite answer. This was the question ‘Richard’ asked ‘himself’ back in 1981 – it gave ‘him’ the courage and stamina and persistence to go all the way –
KUBA: Hi Vineeto, I understand what you are saying, of putting all eggs in one basket and going for it. However what I have been particularly cognisant of the past 6 months or so is not falling into the same trap where I did in the past. Whatever that place was I do not want to land there again, and back then no amount of pushing did the trick, it only created more imaginary worlds and more unpalatable resistance. So the past 6 months or so I would describe what I have been doing as consistently inching forward, taking small but genuine steps towards evincing my destiny. My motion forward has been more meticulous and less fanatical. VINEETO: Hi Kuba, Thank you for your report of “small but genuine steps”. As such my suggestion of “putting all eggs in one basket” was premature. Only you can know what pace is the best way forward for you. For instance, I am reminded of Srinath saying –
Here is what Geoffrey reported regarding the weeks leading up to the event –
For what it’s worth, feeling being ‘Vineeto’ had a long period of hesitation to get-out-from-under-control[1] being concerned ‘she’ would inadvertently become enlightened instead – because at the time there was no precedent of how the Direct Route would unfold. [1] a long period of hesitation: that is until the 1st convivium meeting where Richard “impressed” upon ‘her’ the necessity of being out-from-control –
I agree with Geoffrey that “anyone’s way is going to be different” or is experienced to be different when approaching ‘self’-immolation. In hindsight they are very similar – “it is over in seconds”. One can compare it to the process from craft to art –
KUBA: In that sense so far things have actually been going great, in that there is no longer this unpalatable resistance and I am no longer entertaining illusions, well as far as it goes haha. And progressively the various obstacles to enjoyment and appreciation are also falling by the wayside. For example I notice that this feeling of “excuse me for taking up space” is now taking its leave, it no longer has anything to hold it in place. So it has been very much a case of applying the in the meantime method and slowly inching
forward, then from the new vantage point looking again at the possibility of self-immolation to see what I can make
of it, and then inching some more if I am not yet ready. Which I see what you are saying, I could do this sort of
motion for ever, and yet trying to skip ahead has been a disaster in the past. So I guess what I am trying to say is
that my total concern lately has been in making sure that whatever motion forward happens is genuine motion and not a
facade, this has been the priority. VINEETO: I appreciate your diligence – only you can know when you are ready – and when you are genuinely ready it will be too late to stop it.
KUBA: My sights have been constantly on actual freedom, although there has been so much enjoyment and appreciation in the meantime. Since the other day it has happened a few times that I experienced the sweetness of pure intent and following in that direction there were glimpses of the actual world, where there is only that pure intent, everywhere all at once. And this feature is outstanding too, that this what is happening now is so incredible, and yet that world (where pure intent is everywhere all at once / all that is left) is another ballgame altogether. I am not sure if there is anything else that ‘I’ need to do / can do, which is not already happening. It looks now that I am only left with what Richard wrote here:
VINEETO: Hi Kuba, I much appreciate your delightful reports. As you noticed I have taken a backseat on commenting to what you write as it is explicit in itself. Regarding your remark that “I am not sure if there is anything else that ‘I’ need to do / can do, which is not already happening” I just found a succinct summary of Respondent No. 4, List D, which expresses what he described as the actualism process (whilst still in-control himself) –
The addition from the closing paragraph of the same post is for sheer enjoyment –
As to “the sheer (f)actuality of the universe is what eventually does ‘you’ in”, this excerpt from the Direct Route correspondence may be informative –
KUBA: Hi Vineeto, Coincidentally I was about to write a post today detailing what has been going on recently and
at the end I began writing about a gun which was loaded and the trigger needed to be pulled, I stopped right there as
I remembered that Geoffrey had settled this already VINEETO: Hi Kuba, Ha, both the ‘shooter’ and the ‘shootée’ have to disappear, voluntarily. Here is the pivotal sentence in the link you provided –
KUBA: As to “the sheer (f)actuality of the universe
is what eventually does ‘you’ in”
And how I have been experiencing life the past couple of weeks, there is a big window open to this kind of experiencing, apperceptiveness shows a world which has nothing to do with ‘me’ or ‘my’ machinations. But yes then at times I have been wondering, is there something ‘I’ must do back in ‘my’ world, which in practice it only ever ends up being a decoy, some ‘adventure’ that only goes around in circles and ends up with ‘me’ looking for the ‘psychic gun’. VINEETO: Even though you compare your experience to what Srinath wrote after he became actually free, fact is that ‘you’ are still a feeling being and are naturally assessing your experience (once apperceptiveness subsides) from ‘your’ perspective – in short, can ‘I’ live in this actual world ‘I’ remember having experienced. The phrase “something ‘I’ must do back in ‘my’ world” [emphasis added] might give you the illusion you have left ‘your’ world, which you haven’t. You described it more precisely before – “there is a big window open” and you are inside, more and more looking out the window. When you assess with the apperceptiveness/ PCE ‘self’-less perspective (whilst still experiencing the actual world) you know full well that there is no question that your flesh-and-blood body not only can live in the actual world but thrive far better than you do now. In a PCE you know that this actual world is where I belong, that I have always been here, where everything is perfect and magical. As such, what you confirm with your choice of words (“there is a big window open”), is that the final arbiter is ‘you’, the feeling being. As such, “when you know what you want”, all ‘you’ do is (eventually) agreeing to ‘your’ demise, permanently, irrevocably, and manumit the flesh-and-blood body Kuba from ‘your’ dominance.
In other words, to paraphrase Geoffrey, do you know “what it is one must sacrifice”
Because when you do know, with all your ‘being’ and without a shadow of a doubt, “then
only the sensible action remains” KUBA: I think I understand well what you are pointing to,
actually this is the aspect which is enabled via the diminishing of self-centricity, there is ongoing experiential
confirmation that a world exists which has nothing to do with ‘me’. This kind of experiencing is where I have
been hovering, unsure whether it is the allowing of that or something needing to be done back in ‘my’ world which
is required. VINEETO: What I thought be valuable information for you was: 1) that Actual Freedom is so much more magnificent and magical than one can ever experience in a PCE or in glimpses of apperceptiveness, and 2) that experiencing the sweetness of pure intent – embracing and appreciating the purity
and overarching benignity and benevolence of the infinite universe – as described by the pioneers
What is required for an actual freedom to occur is allowing your complete and irrevocable abdication (into blessed oblivion) for the benefit of this body, that body and every body, nothing more, nothing less. The way it happens is no via control (“a psychic gun”) but “when it
becomes more and more difficult to distinguish the difference between one doing it (doing this business called being
alive) and it happening of its own accord”. Richard: (Being out-from-control/ in a different-way-of-being is quite
daunting to contemplate as an on-going EE marks the end of the beginning of the end of ‘me’ and the commencement
of the actualism process – as distinct from the actualism method
KUBA: … it would be a more correct metaphor to say that ‘I’
am in a greenhouse, with that wondrous quality being all around, as in a 360. And the ‘boundaries’ of the
greenhouse are not solid but rather porous, … KUBA: Oh and as were at it let me mention another thing which could well be another illusion generated by ‘me’ but it is interesting nevertheless. To go back to ‘me’ looking out the window, there is exactly that illusion generated that ‘I’ can then step into the world which was peeked through the window. So ‘I’ (the arbiter) end up projecting ‘myself’ into an imagined actual freedom. That is when it is just another adventure in ‘my’ world, with the psychic guns etc. Yesterday as I was looking at all this I experienced it completely differently though. To go back to this metaphor of the greenhouse… That self-immolation is when those boundaries which give ‘me’ ‘my’ very real existence are dissolved, so much so that ‘I’ would have never existed in the first place. So I experienced this as 2 completely different things, one being ‘me’ jumping from illusion
to illusion and the other being ‘my’ dissolution which reveals the already always existing actuality. VINEETO: Hi Kuba, I wrote my reply to your first two messages last night but decided to hold off to see what happens. I am nevertheless sending my earlier response because those reminders may well come in handy should ‘you’, the persistent passionate and cunning identity, play another trick on you. * Unless one takes fully on board, that ‘I’ have to die in ‘my’ entirety you are liable to jump from “illusion to illusion”, every one more ‘real’ than the previous. “That self-immolation is” not “when those boundaries which give ‘me’ ‘my’ very real existence are dissolved” because ‘you’ have not yet given permission for that to happen. “Those boundaries” do not dissolve of their own accord, the instinct for ‘self’-preservation is too strong. The passion for individual survival is surpassed only by the passion for species survival – hence altruism is essential. Even though you say you “experienced this as 2 completely different things” both alternatives were illusions. It may be opportune to again fully contemplate this –
And this –
I am not saying this to scare you but to point out a way out of those obviously persistent illusions that you can take your ‘self’ with you into an actual freedom through some “porous boundaries”. There is also this report from Claudiu to you about his visit to Geoffrey –
When you genuinely and sincerely face this very fact that I will have to die, then such illusionary notion that you live in a luscious greenhouse with “rather porous” boundaries is no longer possible. To say it for emphasis, there is no connection at all between the real world and the actual world. To kid yourself that the boundaries are “rather porous” is only postponing your destiny. To put is another way – sincerity (and ruthless honesty with yourself) is the key to naiveté,
and the actualism process can only take over when one has “given oneself prior permission to have one’s life
live itself (i.e., sans the controlling doer), and a different way of being comes about (i.e., where the beer is the
operant) – whereupon a thrilling out-from-control momentum takes over and an inevitability sets in – whereafter
there is no pulling back (hence the reluctance in having it set in motion) as once begun it is nigh-on unstoppable.” As long as there is any aspect of ‘you’ wanting to existentially avoid the fact that ‘you’ have to die, to disappear/ to ‘self’-immolate/ to vanish without a trace, in order for the actual world to become apparent, you will be reduced to grasping at various “doomsday straws” in the face of the essential insecurity of being a contingent ‘being’. * VINEETO: When you assess with the apperceptiveness/ PCE ‘self’-less perspective (whilst still experiencing the actual world) you know full well that there is no question that your flesh-and-blood body not only can live in the actual world but thrive far better than you do now. In a PCE you know that this actual world is where I belong, that I have always been here, where everything is perfect and magical. [Emphasis by Kuba]. KUBA: I was just re-reading your reply and I remembered such a magical moment yesterday. I was teaching a class and it happened completely unexpectedly right as I was in the middle of explaining an exercise to everyone. The partner I was demonstrating on was stood in front of some windows and as it was dusk there was this incredible orange hue of light that was spreading across the room, and this caught my attention, and then in the blink of an eye I was as you describe – where I belong, where everything is perfect and magical. It was particularly interesting because it happened in the class setting and so everybody else was also there in that magical world. Re-memorating this experience makes the point well – that there is no gradation between ‘my’
world and that magical world. No matter how diminished, ‘I’ never set foot in the actual world. That is why ‘I’
sacrifice ‘myself’ – so that everybody can live in that magical world, where they already are. VINEETO: Excellent. Now that you have a clear and unequivocal benchmark again it is indeed that simple.
VINEETO: I am not saying this to scare you but to point out a way out of those obviously persistent illusions that you can take your ‘self’ with you into an actual freedom through some “porous boundaries”. KUBA: Yes well, I don’t experience dread when reading those descriptions, it could be 2 ways here though – because extinction is what ‘I’ long for OR that ‘I’ have made some protection for ‘myself’ from all those illusory concoctions. Actually I think it is both! Contemplating all this yesterday I heard (imagined) Richard’s voice saying – “What price to end suffering hey?” I think this sums up well how ‘I’ experience all this. Which is to say that it seems to me by all means that ‘I’ am no longer deterred from proceeding, this is what ‘I’ want, and I know this is the case because I have not experienced any of that “unpalatable resistance” in the past few weeks. but it seems ‘I’ have all those ‘loops’ that ‘I’ can go round in, ways to put off what must happen / what ‘I’ want to happen. VINEETO: Hi Kuba, Could it be that you “have not experienced any of that “unpalatable resistance” in the past few weeks” because you chose to have them diverted into those palatable illusions, for instance that “those boundaries” will dissolve of their own accord? In one way or another “that unpalatable resistance” needs to be acknowledged, accepted as par for the course, and eventually overcome/ dissolved (not resolved) when you embark on the journey to leave your ‘self’ behind. resolution: the answering of a question; the solving of doubt or a problem; the settlement of a dispute; formerly also, an explanation, a solution; the supplying of an answer. ~ (Oxford Dictionary). dissolution: the action of bringing to an end; the state of being ended; destruction or ruin of an organised system etc. ~ (Oxford Dictionary). As Claudiu put it –
KUBA: But as not to set off on another illusory adventure and to tie it back to your previous
post. The quote you included – “the sheer (f)actuality of the universe is what eventually does ‘you’
in”… I understand that ‘I’ as the ‘do-er’ cannot make it happen, ‘I’ cannot manufacture a
genuine reason to die either. So it is allowing that which is outside of ‘me’ which eventually does ‘me’ in. VINEETO: You will know when you have in fact made the jump because after that there
will no longer be even the option of creating “another illusory adventure” or consider that the
controller should pull an imaginary gun. The fact that you presently contemplate these options possibly happening
means you still need to find a way traverse the “enormous wall of fear completely encircling all of
humankind”. Once “given oneself prior permission to have one’s life live itself (i.e., sans
the controlling doer), and a different way of being comes about (i.e., where the beer is the operant) –
whereupon a thrilling out-from-control momentum takes over and an inevitability sets in – whereafter there is no pulling back (hence the reluctance
in having it set in motion) as once begun it is nigh-on unstoppable.” [Emphases added]. Then only the ‘beer’ is operating, not the ‘doer’, and it is the pure intent, gleaned from one’s PCEs, which provides the pull. Then you simply allow doing what is happening, not just occasionally but continuously.
KUBA: Hi Vineeto, So with the strop over now… your reply was excellent. I wrote earlier that there is just no other direction that ‘I’ could travel within ‘myself’, that is true. But all the journeys within ‘myself’ were always journeys with a return ticket. VINEETO: Hi Kuba, Isn’t it amazing how the human mind works. Sometimes you have to exhaust all possibilities of a certain course of action until you stop – and suddenly the new, so far unseen or unconsidered option becomes visible. It has been sitting there all along but you weren’t ready for it … until now. KUBA: I had your reply in mind all day today, especially the below:
And indeed I can see now there is a direction in which I have never travelled before and this one is not a path within ‘myself’. And I can see that it is possible, that such a direction exists, in fact in the back of my mind I have always suspected that this is exactly what it would take, it just seemed too radical a direction to actually go. Now though because I have literally ran out of the possible journeys with a return ticket, this one is staring me right in the face. You know I have (about 30min ago) sustained a ligament tear in my knee, possibly partial but it seemed quite severe so possibly a full tear, but actually that currently seems irrelevant (well I know it will get sorted either way). That’s just to highlight how significant this is what I have seen today. VINEETO: This is an excellent development, and now you have a (serendipitous?) pause in
some of your physical activities as well to discover and explore this new, different-way-of-being KUBA: And although I am not currently travelling in that direction / have never travelled in that direction – I can now see that such a direction exists, and has done all along, and this in itself Is huge! Even just coming close to this possibility, allowing/ accepting that it exists, has led to a completely different type of experiencing today. To sum up, I can see now that a direction exists which does not lead in a circle back to ‘me’.
And the “how” of it is spelled out in that quote above.
VINEETO: Obviously, in that complete understanding that everything else has failed to reach your goal you are now ready to explore “just seemed too radical a direction to actually go”. Have you also considered, when contemplating the quote above, that by giving oneself “prior permission to have one’s life live itself” this includes the acquiescence to ‘my’ demise? It takes the abandoning of hope (in the old ways) and a goodly dose of daring to do that. As you described it before –
KUBA: Hi Vineeto, What a hectic 24 hours it has been! Not sudorific by any means but experientially / existentially there has been so much going on. You know I have always been quite keen on meticulously describing (even systematising) my experiencing but the nature of some of this experiencing lately I can’t really put into words. I guess it’s the fact of having these wonderful experiences in the first place but also at the same time the existential sense of approaching my destiny, which makes it so incredible. I was filled with appreciation yesterday because looking at the manner in which I have spent the last 24 hours I remembered what it was like for the 18 year old me who had just discovered actualism, I remember how deeply mired in suffering I was and what it took to hoist myself up by my own bootstraps and somehow bit by bit extricate myself from the mess. And now to arrive at a place where feeling good happens automatically, where mostly the only diversions from feeling good can happen when I am on the “hot seat” with you. And then on top of that more and more frequently there are these experiences happening for which I have no words. Yesterday as I was driving to one of my hen do’s it was exactly as Srinath wrote in his report:
That particular experience was the peak, but even the rest of the day it was like that in various degrees. So when it was at that unbelievable peak, I thought well if this is an opportunity to become actually free then I must make use of it. But then at the same time I was aware of what we have arrived at recently, that something else needs to happen still! But then I thought “how on earth could it get more than this!” VINEETO: Hi Kuba, Reading your report is a delight, and I better don’t comment much as to not create a “diversions from feeling good” for you. Course correction can do that; your description gave me a good chuckle. KUBA: So to sum up I am still looking at this proposition – To give permission to have my life live itself, and yes I have been contemplating how this also includes the acquiescence to ‘my’ demise. And it’s like the fascinated contemplating of all this, with the entirety of ‘my’ being, has changed the atmosphere around me. VINEETO: As this permission to have your life living itself happens on a deep ‘being’ level (“the entirety of ‘my’ being”), and has already “changed the atmosphere around” you, you can safely allow this contemplation simmer in the background. It’s an exciting, exhilarating and thrilling time and I remember it as ‘her’ happiest time as a feeling being. KUBA: Oh and in terms of the “wall of fear” still
needing to be traversed, I take good note of this. It’s just that in my experiencing I cannot see it so far. There
is often this tingling excitation, or like a charge in the air. Definitely still keeping this in mind though. VINEETO: There might an alternative to looking for the “unpalatable resistance”, and you have already experimented with it –
And –
I found this quote from Richard significant –
I said “there might an alternative” because the instinctual sex drive has so far not been explicitly described in becoming free from the human condition but it certainly played a significant role for ‘Vineeto’ to find ‘herself’ on the other side of the wall of fear. Who knows, you might be pioneering to take it a step further …
KUBA: Yesterday I went to teach my evening BJJ class and (this was actually the main reason for the “evening glooms”) I was always so scared to freely and fully enjoy and appreciate whilst there, something about ‘my’ role as a coach which was blocking it. And yesterday it was as if ‘my’ entire ‘being’ had/ was just a big sincere smile from corner to corner, with no hint of resentment or bitterness and no self consciousness at having/ being this. I have never experienced such deeply sincere happiness and harmlessness, ‘I’ was smiling with the entirety of ‘my’ being. VINEETO: Hi Kuba, Ha, now you know why Richard invented a new meaning to the word “bester”. Enjoyment and appreciation reach a new level. It looks as if your social role and sense of responsibility as an instructor were in the way and making you self-conscious. It all can falls by the wayside as if by itself. * VINEETO: You will know when you have in fact made the jump because after that there will no longer be even the option of creating “another illusory adventure” or consider that the controller should pull an imaginary gun. KUBA: I am not sure if this means the jump has or has not been
made, but I can experientially understand this now. I can see that self-immolation cannot possibly be something done
by ‘me’, it is something that will happen to ‘me’, with ‘my’ full agreement. As you said a while back, it
is not ‘do-able’ but rather ‘be-able’.
VINEETO: Richard described it as being “unable to distinguish between ‘me’ doing it and it happening to ‘me’” –
The remainder of your post is simply delightful to read. I have started to read Richard’s List D correspondence again and today I found that his message to No. 25a adds a lot to what you and Claudiu are busy with, to wit, there is no need to dive into/ dwell on explorations into fear and dread for the sake of it (the affective acknowledgement/ awareness that ‘I’ have to die is the crucial component), and then continue to tap into pure intent –
In fact, the whole post is worth reading and digesting because No. 25 is asking about the various reports of fear and dread by Richard as well as ‘Peter’ and ‘Vineeto’, whereupon Richard points out, twice, that after the opening of the Direct Route tapping into pure intent will do the trick, as it had done for the first pioneers. What Richard is referring to is pure intent personified becoming immanently accessible (not via a PCE but now also via a fully actually free person), available now at any time and anywhere, regardless of distance.
So you are on the right track allowing the marvellously increasing enjoyment and appreciation, and then tune into and allow the sweetness of being bathed in this overarching benignity, benevolence, sweetness and intimacy, and then the “sheer (f)actuality of the universe is what eventually does ‘you’ in”.
KUBA: So last night seriousness briefly reared its ugly head, I am glad it did because I saw immediately what a totally insalubrious way of living it is, it can never ever deliver the goods. When living seriously ‘I’ invite the whole gamut of ‘my’ sorrow and malice into each and every situation. And at the very best ‘I’ can end up living as a self-righteous prude. I remember recently when discussing the various possibilities for the arrangements of the actualist gathering, ‘I’ was getting tangled up in knots. Fortunately Geoffrey was also part of those discussions. I found it fascinating, maybe even a bit of an affront to ‘me’, that he did not follow suit in becoming equally tangled up haha. I am reminded of what Richard wrote, that he could not be serious if his life depended on it. VINEETO: Hi Kuba, It is fascinating to read that you first had to get past the initial reaction of feeling “an affront” for someone not taking you and your entanglement seriously, and then you could recognize the sensibility of not being serious yourself. That is how ‘I’ tick, and you might notice most others do as well. Being aware of it, each time it happens, is how to whittle down this instinctually-fuelled habit of taking oneself seriously (really, as being the most important). It’s ubiquitous. Can you see how self-centredness and seriousness are inextricably linked? Then the amusing aspect of it can become apparent. KUBA: But then again living seriously is what everyone is
doing, what everyone has been doing all this time, and it clearly has not worked to deliver peace and harmony. In
fact, I can see now that it works actively against it! As Geoffrey wrote (paraphrasing) every little ‘me’ more
precious than the other, on a ridiculous parade of malice in sorrow, with the greatest seriousness! VINEETO: Yes, I always liked his description and the more you can see the ridiculousness of it, the less self-important you become – and vice versa. * KUBA: So it looks like “the fear” has surfaced, it’s quite fascinating what happened / what ‘I’ did… It looks like basically I got heavily spooked at some point in the past, it makes sense as I was not yet ready to proceed and I tried to push right through regardless. So after that heavy dose of the heebie-jeebies I (as you said) “resolved” that fear away, essentially I conveniently set it aside somewhere in the psyche, and it looks like I did this so well that I could no longer locate it. So then the consequence was that I was playing around in a paddling pool and thinking myself to be falling off the cliff. VINEETO: Indeed, this fear of ‘me’ being nothing but a contingent ‘being’ with no substance of my own on one hand and the immaculate perfection on the other, can be a “heavy dose of the heebie-jeebies”, as you put it, that it needs a great daring (and caring) to allow it to surface again (and again, if necessary) in order to eventually dissolve it and proceed, rather than push it into the background or rationalise it away. The fact that you “got a whiff of it” means you are able to allow it now. Richard reports that ‘he’, the identity, having pulled back many times –
KUBA: So today when I got a whiff of it, I was quite excited actually, the difference now is that I find myself in a far better position to proceed. This fear I no longer experienced as an “unpalatable resistance”, instead I experienced it as this raw apprehension at the prospect of no longer ‘being’. And I was able to allow a fascinated attention right into it, without moving (psychically). I have been having a very grand time since, which doesn’t necessarily mean it has been
dissolved but some headway has been made for sure! There is a lot more I wanted to write about but I am somewhat
pressed for time so I will leave it at that for now.
VINEETO: Excellent. However, should you be wondering from where to get the gumption to proceed despite any occurring “unpalatable resistance” – and because I have noticed that you like it all mapped out before going ahead to then try it experientially – this might give you the answer –
KUBA: So to continue on, and this is one is quite long winded haha. Yesterday after I was able to go into this fear I was thinking about physical death or serious injury etc I’ve mentioned this many times to Sonya when we would watch various movies. That the way death or serious injury is depicted speaks more to ‘humanity’s’ bent on the macabre than the factuality of what these events are like. And I know this because when I was 10 years old I had a severe break to my arm. I fell off a tree and when I got up (in this weird daze) I looked at my arm and it was just a noodle of mangled bones. There was no pain at all, in fact I walked all the way home and when my dad opened the door I asked him if he thought my arm was broken. He always recounts this story and remembers that when he saw me I was all grey. But the point is that there was no pain and no suffering either, the body clearly “knew” what to do in such a situation, releasing this or that in order to numb pain etc. VINEETO: Hi Kuba, Let me clear some misconception. When someone has a serious accident, the body goes into physical shock and with the aid of Adrenaline and other chemicals numbs the pain. Often also ‘I’ go into the background because practical physical survival measures have to be taken care of first. Later, when the shock subsides, pain occurs according to the injuries obtained and eventually ‘me’ with ‘my’ fears and worries comes back to centre stage. It’s been recorded of car accidents when people seriously injured have walked for miles only to break down once they reach help.
KUBA: So this is what I was thinking yesterday, that clearly the body “knows” how to die, it is set up to be able to do this, and the same for any other significant injuries, childbirth etc. And I am beginning to have the same confidence with regards to proceeding towards ‘my’ extinction, that all what is required is provided as/when needed. Which means that the only thing ‘I’ have to busy ‘myself’ with is simply proceeding. VINEETO: Ha, the familiar mapping out what is going to happen – fact is that the body does not die upon self-immolation, it is ‘me’ who is needs to, voluntarily and in full agreement, ‘self’-immolate – and when ‘you’ push before ‘you’ are ready to voluntarily manumit your flesh-and-blood body from bondage, then as a consequence ‘you’ create illusionary scenarios up to altered states of consciousness to avoid the frightening situation. The confidence you are having now is based on a false narrative and won’t last. KUBA: And furthermore the heebie-jeebies come only when ‘I’
stall or hesitate. VINEETO: The “heebie-jeebies” are in themselves the stalling or hesitating. It is one and same. Once you get back to feeling good you will see that for yourself. More on this below. * VINEETO:
KUBA: Ha such synchronicity, if you have a look at my above post written just a few minutes before yours, this was exactly where I arrived yesterday. And just to clarify more what I referred to here – “And furthermore the heebie-jeebies come only when ‘I’ stall or hesitate.” VINEETO: Hi Kuba, Upon careful re-reading you will see it is not synchronicity. You have not yet started “to proceed” but gone into (non-factual) narratives. KUBA:
So it is ‘my’ evasion which occasions the heebie-jeebies,
otherwise there can be a movement into this raw fear, with “the bright light of awareness being shone into the
innermost recesses of ‘my’ presence … which is ‘presence’ itself.” VINEETO: You said in a previous post –
This “I was able to allow a fascinated attention right into it” happened then but this moment of apperceptive clarity is not happening now. Instead, you are presently building a castle with preposterous [back-to-front] “phantasmagoria”, thinking you still “allow a fascinated attention right into it”. I am confident you will figure this out for yourself in due course. Here is a reminder from Richard which might, eventually, give you pause to clear your head and start again –
I am not suggesting that you are “more cunning – more instinctively wily – than the norm” but this was the best quote to point out not to underestimate “the extent to which a lost, lonely, frightened and very, very cunning feeling-being will go in order to remain affectively-psychically in existence”. This is one of those situations where you confuse yourself so thoroughly and cunningly that I have trouble following, let alone untangling your complicated web. The fascinating thing is, this is how the conversation started with you “getting tangled up in knots”.
KUBA: Hi Vineeto, VINEETO: Let me clear some misconception. When someone has a serious accident, the body goes into physical shock and with the aid of Adrenaline and other chemicals numbs the pain. Often also ‘I’ go into the background because practical physical survival measures have to be taken care of first. Later, when the shock subsides, pain occurs according to the injuries obtained and eventually ‘me’ with ‘my’ fears and worries comes back to centre stage. It’s been recorded of car accidents when people seriously injured have walked for miles only to break down once they reach help. (snip quote) KUBA: OK but I do not see the misconception. I understand that despite the shock my arm was indeed broken (and needed modern medical aid to be repositioned), and also as you said later on once the shock subsided I was indeed in so much pain/ suffering that I was crying as it seemed that I could bear no more. (snip details). But those memories were only an entry point for a contemplation on proceeding towards ‘my’ extinction… That ‘my’ altruism – with its concomitant courage – is already in place, in ‘me’. Which means that ‘I’ do not have to worry about how ‘I’ could garner such courage in advance, as this is provided by the circumstances as/when they happen. VINEETO: Hi Kuba, The point I was making – perhaps ‘diversion’ is a better classification than ‘misconception’ – was in the part you left out –
Therefore, when you say “I was able to go into this fear I was thinking about physical
death or serious injury” you are missing the point. In contrast, here is again the quote from Richard which
you presented yesterday
Any contemplation “about physical death or serious injury” is in no way comparable to any “deep feeling of dread” which may arise when considering ‘my’ full agreement to ‘my’ irrevocable demise. It can only be a diversion or palliative plaster to prevent this fear from re-emerging again. It is ‘me’ who is utterly afraid of ceasing to exist, whereas when the identity gone, there is no fear of physical death whatsoever. KUBA: So then to link it back to what you wrote and Richard’s quote, I just cannot see where the mismatch is? :
The writing points to the fact that one does not need to have it mapped out or to garner the courage in advance, as the intestinal fortitude required is provided as/when one proceeds, which is exactly what I arrived at. VINEETO: The quote continues (what you left out) –
KUBA: Furthermore I had no map or plan come out of this contemplation, it was actually the opposite, that this is not required, that all ‘I’ do is proceed. VINEETO: Perhaps it is not “intestinal fortitude” but certainly pure intent and daring to care, which will aid you finding out exactly which objection ‘you’ have, at the core of your ‘being’, to achieve your destiny … or, in your own words –
KUBA: I will leave the other bits about the heebie-jeebies as those are indeed messy. VINEETO: Ok. KUBA: [Edit:] Vineeto, I wonder did it perhaps look to you like
I was trying to invoke some altered state of consciousness (much like the shock experienced during the arm break) in
order to be invulnerable en route to extinction? If it’s anything like this then I am almost completely certain
that this is not the case, the “almost” is only because I am still a feeling being. VINEETO: It certainly looked as if you were creating the illusion that you would be “invulnerable” with comparing ‘self’-immolation to “thinking about physical death or serious injury”, and the shonky logic “about the heebie-jeebies” confirmed that same illusion. I am confident you will find a way, with pure intent and in your own pace, towards proceeding to your destiny.
KUBA: Hi Vineeto, Ah I see it now thank you! It is a diversion to contemplate about physical death or injury when
it is the extinction of ‘being’ which is required. That’s quite weird, cunning in fact, that to ‘me’ ‘I’
find it easier to stomach a contemplation about the death/injury of the body rather than to face the prospect of the
extinction of ‘my’ being in toto. So really those contemplations about physical death or injury is just more of
playing around in the paddling pool. OK enough said I think I get it now, I will commence some “untangling”
first and see what happens then, thank you again.
VINEETO: Hi Kuba, I am pleased you could recognize the diversion, and on top of it realize in hindsight the cunning of sending yourself on a merry-go-round for mere distraction. You can take that as a compliment in that your previous exploration, “this raw apprehension at the prospect of no longer ‘being’” with “a fascinated attention right into it, without moving (psychically)” came close to the bone, so to speak. * VINEETO: I am confident you will find a way, with pure intent and in your own pace, towards proceeding to your destiny. KUBA: When I look at my experiencing these days and also of what is mentioned in my reports. I notice that pure intent rarely features. Geoffrey wrote after becoming actually free :
I am wondering if the connection to pure intent is the critical component which is missing. VINEETO: Yes, now that you said it, it would appear so. I kept wondering when you were reporting great
experiences of enjoying and appreciating being alive, and then suddenly get side-tracked into narratives, illusions KUBA: To get more specific on my experiencing these days: On the lower end there is this experiencing of the world being like a shimmering jewel, then on the upper end of that it transforms into something like the world becoming enchanted, with this deep magical quality. But I would not say that pure intent is there in those experiences! That sweetness/ tenderness aspect is not experientially present. VINEETO: They could have been Excellent Experiences
KUBA: I do have a very solid memory of pure intent etched into my memory, I wrote about it recently :
That “genuinely occurring stream of benevolence and benignity” has a sweetness to it (the sweetness being ‘my’ closest approximation to that “genuinely occurring stream of benevolence and benignity” itself) whereas those experiences of the world being a shimmering jewel / magically enchanted lack this component, they are simply wondrous but not in that destinal way. In fact I would go as far to say that those magical experiences are only for me, whereas the sweetness of pure intent is as if whispering “this is for everybody”. VINEETO: What excellent observation. You can now firmly activate pure intent via rememorating this sweetness (established by the golden clew from this very experience) and have the connection running continuously.
It will give you the perspicacity to be less gullible and recognize ‘furphies’, diversions, narratives when they appear on the horizon and, once pure intent is confidently established, allow you to safely let go of the controls and let life live itself (rather than ‘you’ trying in vain to live ‘your’ life perfectly). * KUBA: Ah I understand now why Richard wrote that these days a connection to pure intent
will do the trick nicely. (see It is because pure intent is nowadays accessible (by virtue of having been personified) for any
feeling being to form a connection to, this connection is experienced as a sweetness/ tenderness pulling one forward
towards extinction. Whereas when pure intent was accessible only during a PCE – and as one cannot self-immolate from
a PCE – then to proceeded entailed navigating the various walls of fear and mountains of dread. VINEETO: Yes, my lived understanding is that pure intent personified is experienced as “sweetness/ tenderness” whilst before that pure intent was experienced as an over-arching benevolence and benignity. It is by favour of common human consciousness that this connection is now also experienced having the qualities of gentleness, tenderness, sweetness. The constant connection to pure intent was always possible/ available but you still need to allow this intimate connection to pure intent to be established and then operate on an ongoing basis –
KUBA: To get more specific on my experiencing these days : On the lower end there is this experiencing of the world being like a shimmering jewel, then on the upper end of that it transforms into something like the world becoming enchanted, with this deep magical quality. But I would not say that pure intent is there in those experiences! That sweetness/ tenderness aspect is not experientially present. VINEETO: They could have been Excellent Experiences
KUBA: Hi Vineeto, I think there is something here, you know. I had this thought pop up the other day, that I want my life to be lived like an art, and the best art does itself. I actually have quite solid experiential knowledge of this, because of the physical activities which I have been involved in all my life. And indeed it is like Richard described, that once the skills of the craft are acquired then ‘I’ can get out of the way and allow the thing to do itself. For example in parkour I intimately knew that the ‘controller’ was a liability during the jumps as ‘he’ was always out of synch and a step behind, ‘he’ only interfered with the jumps doing themselves, and the body could do it with such incredible precision – the allowing of that was the biggest fun of it all! It’s just that I never quite had the naivete or the guts to extend this way of experiencing life beyond just those temporary moments. And the same is with my BJJ practice now, when I am “rolling” the ‘thinker’ is not part of the equation, as ‘he’ is far too slow and out of synch. There is indeed thinking occurring, in fact the mind is firing on all cylinders to react and coordinate in split seconds. So I do get it, that there is a way of experiencing life where ‘I’ voluntarily remove ‘myself’ from the equation, in order to allow that which is possible without ‘me’, which is a marvel to witness. So not only do I know that such a way of experiencing life exists, I also thoroughly delight in the experience of it when it happens. In fact as a young boy I always wondered if it was possible to live life like those jumps did themselves, I wanted that! And yet those magical experiences I mentioned about, indeed there is this sense that ‘I’ am a pivotal part of it all happening, that ‘I’ made it happen, what it means for ‘me’ etc. And there is a reluctance to give up that claim to it all. VINEETO: Hi Kuba, I appreciate your honesty that “there is a reluctance to give up that claim to it all”. However, the only “pivotal part” ‘you’ play – in this ultimate game of becoming actually free – is agreeing to get out of the way, permanently. Claiming the credit for something ‘you’ didn’t do is cheap subterfuge; there is no dignity to it at all. Here is a wonderful story with a takeaway to imitate –
Isn’t this something that appeals to you? KUBA: But at the very core of it this makes no sense at all, because those experiences are only possible because of ‘my’ virtual absence. It is because ‘I’ have allowed life to happen of its own accord that the magicality of it all becomes apparent. How could ‘I’ possibly lay a claim to that which is possible due to ‘my’ absence? So ‘I’ the controller am still reinserting ‘myself’ and laying claim to it all, rather than to marvel at what is possible when
‘I’ get out of the way. VINEETO: Yes. And the expression ‘I’ “am still reinserting ‘myself’” is not quite accurate because so far you have shown no intent to not reinsert yourself. You have become so apt to temporarily get out of the way to then be able to claim the credit for what was achieved when ‘you’ were absent. Hence “’I’ the controller” became more powerful with each temporary absence. It is fortunate you avoided a more serious condition with this scheme of ‘self’-exaltation – as Richard said about his own experience –
It was three days ago when it dawned on you that there could be another way –
Isn’t it time you start sincerely looking for pure intent and forge a lasting/ongoing connection via the golden clew to your genuine PCE (before ‘you’ reinserted yourself)? Here are the instructions again –
I know some intent is there somewhere but only as a potential in the background and not yet your number one priority else we wouldn’t have all these conversations which you summed up nicely –
It is not just the “orientation” you need; you are looking for the courage (and its accompanying thrill) to succeed this time around –
KUBA: Hi Vineeto, Reading your reply 1 word comes to mind – narcissism. I was doing some reading on pure intent on the AFT website yesterday and under related correspondence there was some old correspondence between me and you. I can’t tell you the cringe that I experienced reading it, because I could see that narcissism in those words written by me. And now your reply has highlighted exactly that this is what I have been ‘being’, I haven’t seen this part of how ‘I’ tick before, not this clearly/ totally anyways. Of course, all ‘beings’ are narcissistic by nature (and thus susceptible to self-aggrandisement), whether this is more in me (for whatever reason), perhaps, mainly though I now acknowledge that this is indeed how ‘I’ tick. Actually the various components of ‘my’ persona I can see how they all coagulated under this intrinsic narcissism. And it also makes it clear why ‘I’ as the ‘controller’ always return, ‘I’ return to claim ‘my’ credit, to feed back into the story that is ‘me’ etc. It also makes it clear why ‘I’ am not willing to maintain a connection to pure intent, because with that narcissism ‘I’ am looking for something that circles right back to ‘me’, in one way or another. VINEETO: Hi Kuba, It is an excellent discovery of a persistent pattern and great that it explains to you “why ‘I’ as the ‘controller’ always return”. It informs you where to focus your attention on in order to dissolve this pattern. I had attributed your delaying tactics rather to a large dose of self-centredness –
Here is the dictionary definition so that you can confirm if that description fits – Narcissism: [from Latin: Narcissus; from Greek: Narkissos: a youth in Greek mythology who fell in love with his own reflection in water and pined away]: self-love, extreme vanity; (psychological): emotional or erotic gratification gained from contemplation of one’s self or one’s appearance; (noun): narcissist: a person affected or characterized by narcissism; an excessively self-admiring person. (Copyright © 1998 Oxford Dictionary). You also once said you were a Messiah-archetype KUBA: So I know I haven’t addressed any of your points directly, but it is just that I have
never seen this overarching narcissism so clearly. And at this point it is a fork in the road, that there is no more progress possible whilst
‘I’ am harbouring this narcissism, only going round in circles. VINEETO: The ‘normal’ reaction would be to castigate oneself or feel remorseful, trying
to purify one’s ‘self’ and thus disperse all the affective energy arising from this perspicuous insight (and
shock) that narcissism is overly developed in your modus operandi. Instead you can use this very insight, and its
accompanying affective energy, to turn around your modus operandi and finally and sincerely invite pure intent into your
life. Then, as Geoffrey said, “the door is as wide as the universe”.
The other reason I suggest not to castigate yourself is because ‘I’/‘me’ am the best ally there is in this pioneering enterprise –
KUBA: Thank you for your replies and your invaluable assistance throughout. This insight has taken the legs out from underneath ‘me’. It’s essentially arriving at the undeniable recognition that all ‘I’ have ever done in ‘my’ life is to go around with a microphone and shout ‘Me’, ‘Me’, ‘Me’ at each and every situation and circumstance. You know, actually I experienced no castigation or shame when writing about it, I thought at first “well that is the very narcissism in operation”, but it doesn’t appear so. It was just such a thorough seeing that action was the only response possible. VINEETO: Hi Kuba, You are very welcome and I am pleased to read that “this insight has taken the legs out from underneath ‘me’”. It was obviously so engrained and inveterate that only a ‘thunderbolt’ insight allowed you to finally recognize it. What was the action which was “the only response possible”? KUBA: When I cringed reading that past correspondence it was because I could see ‘me’ supposedly describing a journey of a self-diminishing inclination and eventual altruistic self-sacrifice, and yet under the words it was ‘Me’, ‘Me’, ‘Me’. VINEETO: Ha, the way you put this sentence together is quite humorous. May it have wide-ranging repercussions. KUBA: And this seeing has been working away, the recognition that
it was never the lack of perfection which was the problem, the problem has always been ‘me’. VINEETO: It seems that your connection to pure intent, after perhaps having been relegated to mere lip-service through a period of obfuscation and prevarication is now fully alive again, and you can focus on the relevant question of what is preventing ‘me’ from agreeing to ‘my’ abdication.
VINEETO: You are very welcome and I am pleased to read that “this insight has
taken the legs out from underneath ‘me’”. It was obviously so engrained and inveterate that only a ‘thunderbolt’
insight allowed you to finally recognize it. KUBA: I think action might not be the best word, I just couldn’t find any other word to fit though. It was that ‘I’ couldn’t squirm away from the seeing, which the “squirming away” could exactly take the form of castigation or shame, or any other way to direct attention away from this seeing working its way through ‘me’. So I guess the ‘action’ was for ‘me’ to stand still (psychically) and look at this thing square on, and to allow the ramifications of it to rock through ‘my’ being. This was the only recourse possible in ‘my’ consciousness, and it happened automatically. Indeed the ‘normal’ way to deal with a situation like this is to waste the potential of such a seeing by directing ‘my’ affective energy into essentially a way to regain ‘my’ grace, that cycle of shame and repentance, which it has no benefit at all with regards to bringing an end to the human condition. That cycle keeps ‘me’ alive. I guess I could also say that the ‘action’ is the knowing that ‘I’ am simply not prepared to continue walking down that path (as it is a rotten path), no matter the ramifications for ‘me’. VINEETO: Hi Kuba, Thank you for the clarification – the reason I asked because there is a difference between realisation, no matter how fundamental and breath-taking it is, and actualisation –
Here is an example of my own most profound realisation and eventual actualisation –
* VINEETO: It seems that your connection to pure intent, after perhaps having been relegated to mere lip-service through a period of obfuscation and prevarication is now fully alive again, and you can focus on the relevant question of what is preventing ‘me’ from agreeing to ‘my’ abdication. KUBA: Yes I think I am still swallowing that previous bite, as it
was a big one! But that is the question indeed – What is preventing ‘me’ from agreeing to ‘my’
abdication. KUBA [Addendum]: Actually I like the way Richard put it better – Just what am ‘I’ saving
‘myself’ for? VINEETO: This morning I came across a snippet from P. G. Woodhouse (a prolific English author and 20th-century humorist, best known for creating the witty valet Jeeves and the bumbling Bertie Wooster – life in the real world of those pathematically inclined –
KUBA: Yes I think I am still swallowing that previous bite, as it
was a big one! But that is the question indeed – What is preventing ‘me’ from agreeing to ‘my’
abdication. VINEETO: Hi Kuba, I am reading this sentence again and I am wondering why you would want to “swallow” this “big one” – which is the insight that you are “narcissism”, and that “under the words it was ‘Me’, ‘Me’, ‘Me’”. Wouldn’t it be more sensible to not look at it from the identity’s point of view (integrate this into your identity /swallow it, i.e. make ‘him stronger because ‘he’ could handle such a crisis) but rather see it from the perspective of what you are aiming for, and celebrate that you can safely and felicitously /innocuously leave behind this particular chunk of ‘my’ ‘self“-importance and be naïve instead? KUBA [Addendum]: Actually I like the way Richard put it better – Just what am ‘I’ saving
‘myself’ for? Something to imbibe whilst you are contemplating (either fascinatedly, theoretically or imaginary) what is to happen next –
[1]Footnote: This all-consuming experience of sweetness: “… this experience of sweetness is the closest experience that I, as a feeling being, could have of the innate sweetness of having the on-going, sensuous direct experience of the benignity, purity and perfection of the paradisaical playground-like world that flesh and blood body-only humans actually live in.” Read it slowly with your whole being, word for word, and see if now – that you are so stunningly aware of your (illusory) identity to a large part being narcissistic/ ‘self’-centric (as is the nature of feeling beings to a lesser or greater extent), and you have also experienced the sweetness of pure intent which Peter describes in the footnote – you can follow Peter’s description in action and allow the “separating veil to collapse” in order to be the innocence and purity as this flesh-and-blood body Kuba, which you have longed to be for so long. Psst – it’s as easy as falling off a log – it is sincere but not serious.
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