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Vineeto’s Correspondence with Josef on Discuss Actualism
JOSEF: This is amazing and answers a lot of questions I’ve had over the years, thank
you! So is there an additional step to feeling good after you’ve stopped feeding the feeling? Is it the backing out
of habitual emotional patterns that facilitates feeling good? I’ve noticed sometimes that this is usually enough to
get me to neutral, and then feeling good becomes a “oh of course!” kind of thing. Sometimes though, I will
remain in neutral. Perhaps that’s a sign that I’m still stuck in another emotional pattern. But instead I’ll
try to push myself from neutral to feeling good and this usually backfires. VINEETO: Hi Josef, Ok, one obstacle is removed, a bad habit which you identified and declined to repeat, well done. Have you patted yourself on the back for it? Is there another feeling-bad habit still lurking behind the first? Yes there is, the habit to push yourself! To understand this habitual pattern and stop feeding it, you need to grasp that ‘I’ am ‘my’ feelings and ‘my’ feeling are ‘me’ – ‘your’ feelings are not something out there removed from ‘you’ that can be pushed into a different position like chess figures. Here Richard, or rather his co-respondent explains this in detail – [emphasis in original]. (Thursday 28/10/2004 6:55 PM AEST). And again there is a reference to how ‘almost too easy’ actualism is. The funny aspect is, as Kuba
Dissociating oneself from oneself can be quite an ingrained habit and it is well worth to establish a habitual affective attentiveness to be able to catch it/decline it when it is happening.
VINEETO: Hi Andrew, You just took the wrong turn-off – here is the sign, just like at all wrong entries on Australian high-ways: “Wrong Way, TURN BACK”. Without the pure intent to be happy and harmless there is no way you can give yourself a categorically overarching permission for “forsaking all other directives, missives, constitutions, allotments, franchises, contracts, agreements, treaties, implied or otherwise.” This is not “audacity”, this is plainly your “subversive tendency” taking back command. Please, first find out experientially about pure intent before being guided by “audacity” and
other fool-hardy actions. JOSEF: Hi Vineeto, I have to admit this reply surprised me quite a bit. It seems to me like you are trying to “gate keep” feeling good somehow. I thought Andrew was spot on here as it’s the approach I have also been following recently with decent success. Too often in the real world we are so prone to feeling bad for even the smallest reason. This audacity he mentions seems like exactly what is needed to feel good “come what may”. VINEETO: Hi Josef, The reason I answered Andrew in such categorical terms is because he expressed his intent in categorical terms –
I emphasized the categorical aspects in Andrew’s permission to himself, so you might better
understand my reply. As Claudiu pointed out already JOSEF: I think (correct me if I’m wrong) you’re trying to highlight the harmless part of the equation. That being happy without being harmless can come with causing harm to others for the sake of your own happiness? VINEETO: Yes, you are correct. In the beginning one’s attempt to feel good and be happy can be misconstrued as licentiousness and self-indulgence. If one only has the aim to just feel a little better whilst staying firmly ensconced in the human condition, the large variety of self-help books and consultants would be sufficient. JOSEF: Even if pure intent was not present, the prescription of feeling good come what may could
lift the majority of the population out of the seriousness and despair that plagues the real world. VINEETO: “The prescription of feeling good come what may” is an invitation to utterly disregard everyone else but ‘me’, the passionate identity, to follow their instincts of fear, aggression, nurture and desire. How does this “prescription” “lift the majority of the population out of the seriousness and despair”? “The prescription of feeling good come what may” is more accurately described as the law of the jungle where not no socialisation is curbing the basic instinctual survival passions. I am not saying that this is what you had in mind when you wrote what you did, but it is nevertheless vital to carefully think through your prescription and consider the consequences of what you are proposing for “the majority of the population”. Here is the third alternative to being selfishly following feeling good regardless and living in “seriousness and despair” as you put it –
And –
As you can see, Richard starts with the intent “to bring about a direct experience of the actual” by imitating the actual. The overarching intent is to experience life free from the dominance of the ‘I’/ ‘me’ as much and as often as possible. This is achieved by applying the actualism method: “one minimises the ‘good’ and ‘bad’ feelings”. If one only has the aim to just feel a little better whilst staying firmly ensconced in the human condition, the large variety of self-help books and consultants would be sufficient. And this explained what to do in detail –
Does this make it more clear for you?
CLAUDIU: If Andrew goes ahead with his unilateral command to effectively do whatever he
(self-centrically) wants without regards to any consequences and without the capacity for anybody else to do anything
whatsoever to change his mind about any of it, without pure intent in place… the effect will most likely be for that “wayward self” to …
go wayward. JOSEF: I don’t think that’s what he said at all. He said he would give himself permission to feel good, happy & harmless unilaterally. I don’t see any mention of doing whatever he wants (self-centrically) without consideration for anyone else. And even in practice, I have found that the actualism feeling good (not good feelings), is so blithesome and benign in its nature that it is always accompanied by harmlessness. If it’s not, usually there is some good feeling (like greed, or power, or pride) that is tainting the feeling good. VINEETO: Hi Josef, I am pleased to read you know by experience that “the actualism feeling good” needs to include being harmless in order to be untainted by “greed, or power, or pride”. Perhaps you simply assumed that Andrew would experience it the same way? In fact, this is what feeling being Vineeto expressed as well –
CLAUDIU: Pure intent will ensure that sensibility will prevail (…) JOSEF: Again, the feeling good come what may that I’ve been having success with recently has a lack of malice as a quality, so consideration for others is also a part of it. CLAUDIU: I don’t think this is really a very high bar, (…) JOSEF: This is why I called it gatekeeping. VINEETO: Knowing the human condition as well as I do (having experienced as a feeling being the full extent of ‘I’ am humanity and humanity is ‘me’) I am much more careful to make a-priory assumptions. As is now the second time that you used the word “gatekeeping” I wonder if there is
perhaps an emotional issue/ investment for you such as frustration that you have trouble to experience a PCE or a
resentment against authority? So that this post doesn’t get too long, I simply refer you to a link, if you discover that this is the case. You have stated yourself you discovered that to be genuinely feeling good requires “a lack of malice as a quality, so consideration for others is also a part of it”. This is excellent. It seems to me that a sincere intent is operating for you in regards of enjoyment and appreciation. Richard’s warning (and mine), what you call “gatekeeping”, is specifically designed regarding the inculcated rules of society which curb the excess of the instinctual passions, i.e. the “wayward self”. In the absence of the experience of the overarching stream of benignity and benevolence originating – not in ‘your’ fears and desires but outside the human condition – in the vast and utter stillness of the universe, the socialized conscience and principles of ‘right’ and ‘wrong’ cannot be safely whittled away – you would harm both yourself and others following only ‘your’ self-centric guide. JOSEF: I don’t have pure intent if the strict definition is that is has to be born of a PCE. I
don’t have a good memory of a PCE. But I do have the intent that I don’t ever want to feel miserable again. That
I want to be in a good mood each and every moment again. I’ve seen how beneficial it is for myself and others when
I am feeling good. But should I not start on this path unless I meet the strict definition of having pure intent? VINEETO: Here is what you wrote in October 2022 as the first entry of your journal –
Does this experience perhaps give you a clue why you are able to recognize that genuinely feeling good requires “a lack of malice as a quality”, and “consideration for others”? It is the source of your intent which defines the quality of ‘feeling good’ and informs you which
one is genuine and which one is dictated by the “wayward self”. As long as you pay attention to this
qualitative difference of your intent and rememorate the distinct flavour of this “new way of
experiencing” you had during the
VINEETO: As is now the second time that you used the word “gatekeeping” I wonder if there is
perhaps an emotional issue/ investment for you such as frustration that you have trouble to experience a PCE or a
resentment against authority? So that this post doesn’t get too long, I simply refer you to a link, if you
discover that this is the case. JOSEF: Yes, I am frustrated that I haven’t been able to have a PCE after the one you linked later on in the post. This was a drug-induced PCE, so for me it doesn’t feel “solid” or “clean” and I seriously doubt its veracity. VINEETO: Hi Josef, I appreciate your reply. The feeling of frustration falls in the category of resentment, and anger, and is certainly interfering with feeling good. I perfectly understand from ‘Vineeto’s’ experience how it feels and why it is happening but it is nevertheless an emotional occurrence that is advisable to not only to look at but to do away with altogether (resentment against, or blaming anything or anyone (including yourself) for apparently standing in the way of what ‘you’ want).
You see, when you understand resentment this way, as a complaint/ blame to divert attention from ‘you’ (the only person you can change), then it may be easier to see that it is silly to maintain this automatic reaction/ habit. Focussing the attention to where it belongs, the fact of being resentment, at the time of experiencing it, the very attention allows you to be felicitous instead (it’s often not even a decision but a natural consequence, just as you stop wiggling your toes the moment you become aware of it). Then, feeling good, you can check what is behind or underneath the frustration – perhaps
impatience, or perhaps the conviction it’s your right to have a PCE now because …, or any other ‘self’-generated
belief, attitude or principle. And it could be this very resentment standing in the way of allowing a PCE to happen.
(see also * VINEETO: Does this experience perhaps give you a clue why you are able to recognize that
genuinely feeling good requires “a lack of malice as a quality”, and “consideration
for others”? JOSEF: I am able to recognize feeling good, but it’s not from
that PCE. I would say it’s from the few EEs and numerous times I’ve felt good/great. I wonder if this is enough? VINEETO: It’s good to hear that you had a few excellence experiences which inform you of what is possible and the direction which you are aiming at. There were also enough clues in your description of “that PCE” to indicate that it was genuine – such as “it was as if I was seeing everything for the first time again” and “there was a very high level of sensuous appreciation. But the key aspect for me was time. Past and future were completely gone and it felt like I could stay in this moment forever.” And specifically this one: “It was a new way of experiencing entirely, and it was very pure and I would say close to perfect. It was the same world but like a different one within that same one. Like a veneer being pulled back.” It could be that when you say today, almost three years after the PCE, that “it doesn’t feel ”solid“ or ”clean“ and I seriously doubt its veracity”, this interpretation may well be from ‘me’ having taken over full control again over your memory of the PCE. So, if you are able to re-vivify the flavour of this experience it might help you to more reliably and puissantly connect to pure intent. In the meantime you can rely on the memory of your EEs – but second best is never “enough” when you aim for perfection, isn’t it? Claudiu and myself have updated the Library page on Pure Intent
VINEETO: You see, when you understand resentment this way, as a complaint/ blame to divert attention from ‘you’ (the only person you can change), then it may be easier to see that it is silly to maintain this automatic reaction/ habit. Focussing the attention to where it belongs, the fact of being resentment, at the time of experiencing it, the very attention allows you to be felicitous instead (it’s often not even a decision but a natural consequence, just as you stop wiggling your toes the moment you become aware of it). Then, feeling good, you can check what is behind or underneath the frustration – perhaps
impatience, or perhaps the conviction it’s your right to have a PCE now because …, or any other ‘self’-generated
belief, attitude or principle. And it could be this very resentment standing in the way of allowing a PCE to happen.
(see also JOSEF: Yes, I am starting to focus on this resentment and tackle it. It’s not just about this PCE, but I can see that my general approach to life is also filled with resentment. I’m mired in a world of “shoulds”; things that I have to do rather want to do. I view work like this, as well as most things besides anything that has quick gratification (e.g. playing video games, eating delicious food). VINEETO: Hi Josef, This is a great description of resentment if there ever was. However, you cannot ‘get rid’ of resentment by rejection of having one emotion and choose having another like changing black chess-pieces with white ones. Now that you acknowledged that you experience resentment, the first thing is to stop fighting
it and stop blaming yourself as well. Any battle against yourself only fuels the feelings by increasing
the power of ‘you’ to make you feel bad. Personally, feeling being ‘Vineeto’ found that the moment she
stopped fighting the feeling (i.e. by objecting to it), it instantly diminished. Then you can more easily get back to
feeling good and from this vantage point contemplate for instance what Claudiu wrote to you
JOSEF: Seems like I’m being dragged around by my life rather directing it. I desire the opposite. I want to be here, to enjoy living in this moment. But it’s clear to me that that is not what I am being at all. Even the specifics of my life don’t seem to matter much, as this attitude is all encompassing and will use anything undesirable as an excuse to fuel the resentment of being alive. VINEETO: You say you are being “dragged around by my life” when in fact you are dragged around by your feelings (like most people are). The difference to most people is that you have the opportunity to pay diligent attention to whichever feelings prevent you from feeling good, from being happy and harmless, and this very attention and awareness of being the feeling allows you to choose to being a different affective experience. It is important not to keep your undesired feelings at arms length but to acknowledge that this is who you are as a feeling being. This very awareness that you are your feelings allows you to choose to be the felicitous feelings instead. When you say I don’t want to be resentful – “I desire the opposite. I want to be here, to enjoy living in this moment” you are misunderstanding what being happy and enjoying living means. Being (unconditionally) happy is what happens when there are no obstacles in the way for being happy. Just watch young children. They are happy and full of energy – unless something is amiss. As soon as parents fix/ provide what is amiss (change diapers, provide food, plaster on the scratched knee, etc.) their good mood returns. You can do the same – pay attention to what you experience affectively and then decline/ dissolve the obstacles to feeling good and feeling good returns. Then you take note of the trigger which brought up the obstacle in the first place and sort it out, so it won’t interfere with your feeling good at the next occasion. JOSEF: Seeing all of this has been a breath of fresh air and has lifted my cynicism a little, even though I have only scratched the surface. I’m not sure when it became like this, as I was quite a happy kid. But between job responsibilities (I view work as something I am forced to do; I resent working to live), I somehow became a real downer. The sun is shining again. VINEETO: This breath of fresh air is excellent – so you are looking in the right direction. Happy kids become serious adults and have to re-discover their joy of life and naiveté again. Investigate your cynicism and your victim/ entitlement mentality that someone else owes you a living (“I resent working to live”) and see how ultimately silly and self-destructive it is. Become “a happy kid” again with adult sensibilities. * VINEETO: It could be that when you say today, almost three years after the PCE, that “it doesn’t feel ”solid“ or ”clean“ and I seriously doubt its veracity”, this interpretation may well be from ‘me’ having taken over full control again over your memory of the PCE. JOSEF: I was thinking about this, and there may be some truth
to it. When I rememorate the EE, there’s something to latch onto, namely those felicitous and innocuous feelings
which are still affective. But when I think of the PCE, there’s nothing because I was so minimized. I don’t even
know how to remember it, so I guess in my cynicism I resolved that it’s best to not even try. VINEETO: This cynicism seems to permeate many areas of your life – it will be a big change for the better when you pay close attention to it. It may have been the single-most deciding factor that no PCEs have happened for a while. Cynicism is the very antithesis of naiveté. I wish you best of success in rediscovering your naiveté.
JOSEF: I’m back! It’s been over half a year since I last posted, but I’ve still been on the forums and on AFT reading a lot. There’s been quite a few big changes in my life recently, namely that I am living with my partner now. This has bolstered my motivation even further as I can see the effect that my bad moods, or just being a ‘self’ in general has on her. Right now my focus is on applying the method, enjoying and appreciating no matter what is going on in my life. I have realized recently that I have not been applying the method correctly at all. Whenever I would have an uncomfortable feeling, I would immediately begin to investigate it, often getting frustrated and lost in the mazes of my mind as feeling good “failed to show up”. Some kind of weird dissociation. I guess I wasn’t even willing to feel these uncomfortable feelings, as I had to be successful in applying the method ASAP. VINEETO: Hi Josef, Welcome back. It is excellent that you gain additional awareness of your moods and how ‘you’ tick, and with it motivation to change, by living with your partner now. It brings it out into the open how both the felicitous/ innocuous feelings and the ‘good’ and ‘bad’ feelings have a beneficial/ detrimental effect not only on yourself but on the other person as well. In the process you also discovered that you automatically dissociated/ disassociated from the “uncomfortable feelings” which opened a whole new area of “applying the method”. JOSEF: To rectify this, I am being more patient when I feel
bad, trying to really see what’s going on. And then once I’ve got a good handle on what I’m feeling (and any
investigation happens simultaneously when I’m not pushing feelings away, since I get curious), I can
“choose” to feel good. More accurately, it dawns on me that it’s silly to feel bad in this situation when
I can feel good instead. But I cannot force this seeing. VINEETO: Remember to get back to feeling good once you come across one of those “uncomfortable feelings” before you endeavour to investigate them. Often they are merely bad habits and easy to nip in the bud, but sometimes, when they return again, they need further exploration, like when you “cannot force this seeing”. Then there might be a dearly held belief or a personal truth or a cherished desire which keeps it in place. The more you get “a good handle” on it and appreciate your success the very exploration becomes increasingly fun.
VINEETO: Remember to get back to feeling good once you come across one of those “uncomfortable feelings” before you endeavour to investigate them. Often they are merely bad habits and easy to nip in the bud, but sometimes, when they return again, they need further exploration, like when you “cannot force this seeing”. Then there might be a dearly held belief or a personal truth or a cherished desire which keeps it in place. JOSEF: This is very true in my experience. For me personally, getting back to feeling at least neutral happens by stop trying to force feeling good. This may just be my own tendency, but I redouble my efforts and try extra hard to push bad feelings away, often by “investigation” (this kind of investigation is just an attempt at suppression). Real, organic investigation happens when there’s no pressure and one is curious. VINEETO: Hi Josef, What you experience in those instances of trying to force feeling good is the increasing affective power of ‘me’ whenever you add energy by fighting unpleasant feelings, such as pushing them away, or trying to force good feelings by what you call “this kind of investigation”. Such action will only increase the intensity of your affective feelings. As you correctly observed, “organic investigation happens when there’s no pressure and one is curious”. Hence Richard’s suggestion that whenever your mood dips below feeling good, notice what it was that triggered the diminishing of feeling good and then get back to feeling good before endeavouring to sort out the obstacle in question.
JOSEF: I’ve put things on a “does not matter” basis recently. This has been quite difficult for me to do, and I have realized I am quite a domineering personality, wanting to always have my preferences met. Going along with others’ preferences recently has triggered this fear in me of being taken advantage of or being a doormat for other people’s whims. But yesterday when I tried this, honestly everything turned out fine and I had a great time. I felt light and happy and harmless. It seems my pushing of my preferences is driven by this fear. Most of the things that happen do not really matter… VINEETO: It’s great that you tried it out experientially, because events always turn
out differently with sincere intent operating than theoretically or philosophically anticipated. This tool of putting
everything on a “does not matter” basis also applies to weather, or situations beyond your control and
whatever else happens in your daily life. “Pushing of my preferences” may partly be driven by its
opposite, “this fear”, and it is also part and parcel of an identity’s inherent self-centricity,
i.e. seeing everybody and every event and every thing merely from ‘my’ point of view/ my benefit or loss. When
you become increasingly aware of this automatically operating self-centricity /ego-centricity JOSEF: And for the things that do, I take a stand only if what’s
happening is falling outside the realm of being sensible. This kind of action comes from a very different and more
grounded place. VINEETO: You may find this recent post interesting in this context –
The key ingredient, apart from aiming to be felicitous/ innocuous it to sensibly, i.e. when necessary, emotionally accept what is intellectually unacceptable so as to not compromise one’s intelligence.
JOSEF: I had a PCE last night while on a high dose of cannabis that made me realize that actualism is much more radical than I first thought. When my “self” went into abeyance, I could feel infinite time and infinite space as I stood there in my house. Time also had no meaning. I could “access” the memories of my “self”, as weird as that sounds. But it was like thinking about a different person’s life. It made me think that if “I” die (self-immolate), this body won’t pursue any of the goals that “I” hold dear. It seems all “my” values are based on what “I” hold dear. Fretting over money or my relationship with my wife or whatever else had zero meaning. In Geoffrey’s video, when he says he’s poor and doesn’t give a shit, and then talks about security for the body as being food, water, shelter, I realized that a person who would be happy sitting in a garden for 20 years and dying would not be malicious or sorrowful for ANY reason. Even if they became quadriplegic (one of my worst nightmares), they would still be happy and harmless. This means that NOTHING at all matters. I think that is why the method says to put everything on a does not matter basis or get back to feeling good no matter what. If that’s true I’ve not been applying the method at all. I have just been sticking a toe into the water while keeping my whole value system intact. It occurred to me, is the method kind of suicidal? But isn’t that not the whole point? Self-immolation is psychological suicide?
VINEETO: Hi Josef, What a great PCE with so much more information for you and insights about what an actual freedom is. It is an excellent plan to put everything “on a does not matter basis or get back to feeling good no matter what” because nothing matters in the long run. This is a pivotal decision regarding imitating the actual which you have just experienced.
JOSEF: This leads me to a more worrying thought. Will I just go along with whatever the people around me want, as long as it doesn’t cause a threat to this physical body? What if my partner really wants something that I don’t? Does it not matter and I will just change my self-centered urge to a preference for everything? VINEETO: This appears to be the moment the PCE ended else you would not have had a “more worrying thought”. JOSEF: I guess this is where silly/ sensible comes into the
equation. But during the PCE I felt like silly/ sensible only applied to the preservation of the physical body.
Honestly I was not ready for the experience at all and I could not go further, it felt like I would blow all my fuses
or that I was not ready to make this a permanent condition. Felt like I skipped ahead and should have a PCE
organically, without the use of drugs. At that point the PCE was over and the fear began. VINEETO: Yes, this “is where silly/ sensible comes into the equation”
and it does not only apply to purely physical survival, as you can understand when you are back to feeling good Here is something that might help regarding the assessment of preference –
The above correspondence from the beginning explains it in more detail. It is understandable when you say “I was not ready for the experience at all” – it may take some gestation period to percolate in the background for you to digest it all. But you have tasted the perfection and purity and experienced what is possible. JOSEF: I always thought I would apply the actualism method and
become more and more happy and harmless in my relationship. This was kind of the end goal. But in yesterday’s PCE
it became clear to me that I could only act in my partner and I’s best interest if there is no relationship at all.
The relationship is just another part of “me” with all of its problems. During the experience I was
considering “my” parents, partner, brother, friends etc. But it just felt like “his”
(“my”) life with his emotional hang ups. “My” home (with all “my” ideas about home)
became just the place I’m living in right now.
VINEETO: Ha, I can understand this very well. Living in peace and harmony with Peter was also ‘Vineeto’s’ entry point. Here is what ‘she’ reported –
Don’t you find it amazing (worth appreciating) that you start with one worthwhile goal – to live with your partner in peace and harmony – and the more you explore to make it work, the more you discover what this all involves? Now that you know with certainty, from the PCE, that ‘I’/ ‘me’ am the problem, you slowly dismantle whenever ‘I’ and ‘my’ demands, desires, objections, beliefs, etc. get in the way of being happy and harmless and enjoying/ appreciating being here. It’s not complex because it is only ‘me’, in ‘my’ variations, which is the problem. With your preference for a “self-less inclination” you have a clear compass where you want to go. Two hints to make it easier – always get back to feeling good before investigating an obstacle, and remember to be a friend to yourself.
JOSEF: Just getting some thoughts down as they are occurring. It is making me sad that achieving everything I have ever wanted – peace, total carefreeness, unconditional happiness – will mean my demise. I will not be there to experience it. Actualism was supposed to be the way “I” became the best version of myself. But “I” am the problem, “I” am in the way. VINEETO: Hi Josef, You are not quite correct to say it “will mean my demise”. You already figured this out when you quoted Richard in your last post that it will mean the demise of ‘me’, the identity having hijacked the flesh-and-blood body Josef.
You experienced in the PCE that it is not only possible but far, far better to live without identity – even though you said you were “not ready for the experience at all”. Let the dust settle and digest it all before allowing yourself to become said over something that you can in fact rejoice about. Then you will see that it is still as sensible way to proceed becoming “best version of myself” by diminish the ‘self’ in the meantime, until you are fully ready to abandon your ‘self’ altogether. Yes, the identity, of no fault of your own, is “the problem”, it has now become redundant because intelligence can take the place of the instinctual passions, which were necessary for the survival of early humans. You took up the actualism method in order to live in peace and harmony with your partner – which means you understood that the identity as it was could not do that. And now, in nostalgic reminiscence about the ‘good old identity’, which only causes you trouble, you are “sad” that you may want to diminish it, even intending ‘your’ demise in order to “achieving everything I have ever wanted”. This is not sensible. When you get back to feeling good you will see that for yourself.
Whilst I understand your shock and being overwhelmed by the implications of the experience you were “not ready for” – but then one is never ready for an experience outside of one’s normal parameters – why not instead appreciate and enjoy what has happened instead of filling the gap with the usual fearful and sorrowful feelings? Just a suggestion.
JOSEF: Thanks Vineeto, I’m going through many different
feelings and thoughts at the moment while digesting this experience. Going to wait till the dust settles before I
write more. VINEETO: Hi Josef, Such ups and downs are natural after a potentially life-changing experience, especially as you already identified the next step – to put everything on a preference basis. For encouragement here is a short experiential report from AdamH how he succeeded in getting back to feeling good –
And one from Ian in December last year, how wonderful it is being increasingly happy and harmless and naïvely appreciating being alive –
All the best
JOSEF: Just getting some thoughts down as they are occurring. It is making me sad that achieving everything I have ever wanted – peace, total carefreeness, unconditional happiness – will mean my demise. I will not be there to experience it. Actualism was supposed to be the way “I” became the best version of myself. But
“I” am the problem, “I” am in the way. VINEETO: Hi Josef, You are not quite correct to say it “will mean my demise”. You already figured this out when you quoted Richard in your last post that it will mean the demise of ‘me’, the identity having hijacked the flesh-and-blood body Josef. (...) You experienced in the PCE that it is not only possible but far, far better to live without identity – even though you said you were “not ready for the experience at all”. Let the dust settle and digest it all before allowing yourself to become said over something that you can in fact rejoice about. Then you will see that it is still as sensible way to proceed becoming “best version of myself” by diminish the ‘self’ in the meantime, until you are fully ready to abandon your ‘self’ altogether. Yes, the identity, of no fault of your own, is “the problem”, it has now become redundant because intelligence can take the place of the instinctual passions, which were necessary for the survival of early humans. You took up the actualism method in order to live in peace and harmony with your partner – which means you understood that the identity as it was could not do that. And now, in nostalgic reminiscence about the ‘good old identity’, which only causes you trouble, you are “sad” that you may want to diminish it, even intending ‘your’ demise in order to “achieving everything I have ever wanted”. This is not sensible. When you get back to feeling good you will see that for yourself. Whilst I understand your shock and being overwhelmed by the implications of the experience you were “not ready for” – but then one is never ready for an experience outside of one’s normal parameters – why not instead appreciate and enjoy what has happened instead of filling the gap with the usual fearful and sorrowful feelings? Just a suggestion. JOSEF: Thanks Vineeto, I’m going through many different
feelings and thoughts at the moment while digesting this experience. Going to wait till the dust settles before I
write more. VINEETO: Hi Josef, Now that you had a few days to digest, and perhaps even were able to rememorate I had said in “you are not quite correct to say it ‘will mean my demise’.” This is factual only from the actual-world perspective where ‘my’ demise has already happened. From the feeling being’s frame of mind, however, ‘I’ will have to disappear in order for the actual world to become apparent – just as ‘you’ went into abeyance for the PCE to occur. So, it was a correct perception, once the PCE ended, that ‘you’, ‘who’ you feel and therefore think yourself to be, “will not be there to experience it” – the actual world. That is the very reason you are encouraged to imitate the actual by enjoying the felicitous and innocuous feelings – those that require very little ‘self’ to flourish – and diminish the ‘good’ and ‘bad’ feelings, which are ‘self-enhancing and cause ripples in your own life and those of others. And the more you succeed in doing that the more ‘you’ enjoy the experience of being alive. Yes, in the overall perspective “‘I’ am the problem” – and it is very informative to have a frame of reference of what you are doing and why, but it is also entirely in your hands how fast you want to proceed and how far you want to go … and still become/ be a friendly, amiable, peaceful, magnanimous, sensible, autonomous, appreciative, less-self-centric and overall enjoyable human being. Feeling being ‘Vineeto’ used to say, “it’s the best game in town to play” –
Josef, as you can see by the date, it was still a decade away for ‘her’ to becoming actually free then (and ‘her’ imagination was not precisely in line with the facts – imagination never is) but it was overall a fun and sometimes a thrilling adventure all the way. This one is more accurate and to the point –
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