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Please note that Vineeto’s correspondence below was written by the actually free Vineeto |
(List D refers to Richard’s List D and his Respondent
Numbers)
Vineeto’s Selected Correspondence
Selfish vs Not Self-Centric
December 29 2024
KUBA: So the Bodhisattva saga continues. I had a rather long and
intense interaction with Felix yesterday and it has been on my mind since.
How is it that 2 clearly well meaning individuals can nevertheless ‘lock horns’ despite the
best intentions.
It is clear that whatever ‘battling’ was going on was primarily happening on the level of
vibes and psychic power play, which makes it that much harder to initially spot and properly outline.
I have been trying to get to the bottom of just exactly ‘I’ was putting out that was ‘dirty’. What I have
been outlining since is quite slippery because it hides behind the intention/ identity of ‘helping others’ but
really it is just another form of belonging. […]
VINEETO: Hi Kuba,
At a guess, from careful reading of both of your reports in the past weeks, it may well be that
both of you have a similar personality – that of being “a high achiever” and wanting to share your
insights by ‘helping’. As such you would have been in competition who is the better helper.
The human race is a ‘herding animal’ and as such it is very natural to want to provide
assistance to each other, besides being driven by the well-known instinctual passions. It has helped the human race
not only to survive but to thrive.
You have now put your finger on the ‘dirty’ aspect of this ‘helping others’ – belonging.
KUBA: It’s the kind of identity that can get ‘me’ right up to
the doors marked self-immolation but ‘I’ will never walk through. There is just way too much stock
being placed in remaining a member of ‘humanity’. This seems like the bed rock of what ‘Kuba’ is as an
identity, it seems the thing has now begun unravelling though. I can see that remaining a member of ‘humanity’
only to continue ‘assisting others’ (which cannot work cleanly anyways) is like enjoying martyrdom, it’s so
much painful work and for what. So any proceeding forward has a personal agenda in it, in that ‘my’ whole life
‘I’ have functioned in a framework of ‘find wisdom → share wisdom’. Where ‘I’ simply cannot even
contemplate going somewhere without this agenda of coming back with something to offer. The priorities are back to
front, which is that much more difficult to pinpoint because it appears selfless.
I can see how this tendency has always sapped fun from various activities, for example in BJJ,
as soon as I would develop some new way of doing a technique or what have you, I would immediately begin obsessing
over how to teach it to others. It was always felt like an obligation/responsibility, that I was not allowed to keep
it for myself. This tendency was one of the longest standing ones that I had to chip away at. It seemed as if things
could not be enjoyed unless they were shared with others. But really it looks like the whole thing is just a ploy to
cover up the fear of proceeding somewhere completely on ‘my’ own, without the safety of the group.
VINEETO: It is interesting that you say “this tendency has always sapped fun from
various activities”. You nevertheless put this no-fun observation aside in your general actualism practice
of enjoying and appreciation of each moment of being alive, and now, after other obstacles have been removed
it stares you right in the face.
Actualism is not about being “selfless” but diminishing and ultimately voluntarily
sacrificing ‘me’, the ‘self’.
RICHARD: I am aware that, to more than a few, the word altruism has come to mean
unselfish/ selfless ... thus I stress that the word is being used in its biological/ zoological sense.
RESPONDENT: Can you provide an example of a pure conscious altruistic action without any
loss/gain for the one involved?
RICHARD: As there is no altruism here in this actual world there is no such thing as a ‘pure
conscious altruistic action’ ... any action which has the appearance of being altruistic, in its unselfish/selfless (virtuous) sense, stems from
fellowship regard – like species recognise like species – and is actually selfless in the literal meaning of the word (as in ‘self’-less), as a matter of
course, and not virtuously.
A virtuous ‘self’ – an unselfish ‘self’ – is still a ‘self’ nevertheless. (Richard, Actual
Freedom List, No. 25h, 9 January 2005).
KUBA: This whole thing reminds me of Richard’s observation that
if “one is driven by some force (no matter how good), then one is not actually free”.
(Richard’s Journal, Chapter One).
VINEETO: This is an excellent appraisal. This “force” which is driving you,
the passionate force for ‘self’-survival, can, when pinpointed and exposed, give you the necessary passionate
motivation for the altruism required for the last step. When you turn it into passionate and genuine care for the
well-being of humankind or intimate genuine care for one particular human being there is a way forward.
Richard had always referred to abandoning humanity as the penultimate step. (Richard, Actual Freedom List, Rick, # Penultimate Step).
Here he wrote to feeling being ‘Vineeto’ in 1999 when ‘she’ had asked him about what belonging to humanity means –
‘VINEETO’: [Richard]: ‘When it is
understood that the one is the epitome of the many and that ‘I’ am the ‘many’ and the ‘many’ is ‘me’ ... ‘I’ self-immolate at the core of ‘being’.
Then I am this material universe’s infinitude experiencing itself as a sensate and reflective human being. A desirable side-effect is peace-on-earth’.
What does it mean, when you say ‘I’ am the ‘many’ and the ‘many’ is ‘me’?
RICHARD: In the context that the quote was written, I was adapting my oft-repeated phrase ‘I’ am
‘humanity’ and ‘humanity’ is ‘me’ to fit in with the subject matter [...]
As I understand it, in the on-going study of genetics the germ cells (the spermatozoa and the ova) have been classified
as being of a somewhat different nature to body cells. This has led to speculation that each and every body is nothing but a carrier for the genetic lineage ...
that the species, therefore, is more important than you and me or any other body. Now, whilst that theory is just a typically ‘humble’ way of interpreting the
data, it did strike me, some years ago, that this genetic memory could very well be the origin of the immortal ‘me’ at the core of ‘being’ (as contrasted to ‘I’
as ego who will undergo physical death). Hence it occurred to me that the source of ‘who ‘I’ really am’ could very well be nothing more mysterious than blind
nature’s survival software.
I have always had a bent for the practical explanation ... and solution. [...]
Yet it is the instinct for survival that got you and me and every other body here in the first place. We peoples living today are the
end-point of myriads of survivors passing on their genes ... we are the product of the ‘success story’ of fear and aggression and nurture and desire. Is one
really going to abandon that which produced one ... that which (apparently) keeps one alive?
Do you recall those conversations we had about loyalty (familial and group loyalty) back when you and I first met ... and what was
required to crack that code?
That was chicken-feed compared with this one. (Richard, Actual Freedom List, Vineeto, 30.9.1999).
Everyone’s ‘belonging to humanity’ can have different expressions, whatever each
individual is most passionately holding on to.
Cheers Vineeto (Actualism, Actualvineeto, Kuba 3, 29 December 2024).
October 19 2025
KUBA: Richard summarised the
experience of that “tether back to base camp” in his journal (article 9) :
Richard: It requires great fortitude and finesse to fly in the face of the social
commandment: to remain a member of society at all costs. There is a pull of loyalties; old allegiances to relatives,
friends, colleagues and acquaintances will tug at the heart, pulling one back, urging one to remain where one is.
Loyalty, however, is a two-edged sword for it can cut two ways; there is the new allegiance to the purity of the peak
experience, pulling one forward relentlessly, for herein lies release … and genuine peace-on-earth. The pull
in two directions can be excruciating. On the one side is the sense of belonging, the warmth of relationship and the
being acknowledged by the peoples one has always known. There is the loss of all that, with its ensuing grief – and
guilt – at leaving them all behind. On the other side there is the knowledge that one will have reached one’s
destiny, that one will have that perennial cheerful contentment with life as-it-is subtly buzzing inside one, and that
the actuality of peace-on-earth and prosperity for all humankind is now possible. All this one knows, with a
crystal-clear certainty, from the perfection of one’s PCE. (Richard’s Journal, Article Nine)
The additional aspect of this is something like this :
That as ‘humanity’ ‘we’ are all huddled around that fire and suffering, and within that
intrinsic suffering ‘we’ have made various bonds which would soothe (but never eliminate) the suffering – that is
the bond of ‘humanity’, the relationships of the various identities to each other. And from within that bond, it is
experienced as a selfish act, to proceed towards this new land and to leave all those ‘others’ still huddling
together in the land of lament.
I understand intellectually that this is the exact mistake made by buddha, that ‘he’ would not
proceed towards extinction until all ‘others’ were saved and as a result ‘humanity’ has persisted and suffering
has persisted.
Hi Kuba,
What you overlooked in your analysis of ‘humanity’ –
Abandoning ‘humanity’ means ‘you’ abandon ‘your’ own humanity, which is ‘you’, the
identity, who you have previously recognized as being rotten to the core. It means abandoning ‘your’ social
identity, which ties you to everyone else’s appraisal, everyone’s praise and criticism, ‘your’ loyalty to kin,
country and class, ‘your’ identity as a man, son, husband, employer, member of class, race, club, religio-spiritual
and political identity and all the other groups you feel loyalty, connection and/or obligation to. For instance –
Kuba: I can’t believe I’ve never seen this, that the very
action of asserting myself is rotten.
Vineeto: It was obviously the perfect time to see it, now that you are ready to put it into action.
Kuba: It makes sense now, there is a seriousness and a
forcefulness to it, it has aggression at its root.
Vineeto: Indeed and a ‘man’ has to be aggressive or so you are taught. You discovered
the way to channel the affective energy of aggression into affective felicitous and innocuous action.
(Actualism, Actualvineeto, Kuba10, 2 October 2025)
Do you now prefer to retain your aggression, your desire (for the sake of the ‘highs’), your
fear and nurture, your territoriality, your sense of belonging and, above all, your social identity? You experience, as
a member of ‘humanity’, it being selfish to abandon humanity but you don’t even consider looking at it with pure
intent, where the purity and perfection of the actual world is plain to see and yours for the taking – for the
benefit of your body, that body and everybody.
This is what fear does to you – it defends mischief and misery and clouds your mind.
KUBA: But it is this
unilateral and extreme action which is required which ‘I’ cannot quite accept, that this is the only way out, the
way to end the ‘land of lament’ is for the next and then next identity to become extinct.
Are you looking for a new “way out” which leaves the identity intact?
KUBA: But it is that final and irreversible abandoning of ‘others’ that ‘I’ am not willing to
contemplate. It still seems selfish to ‘me’, how could ‘I’ leave ‘them’ ‘back there’ suffering.
What you are really saying is that you rather remain an identity, rotten to the core, than
demonstrating by action that it is possible to live totally free from malice and sorrow, blithe and benign for 24hr a
day, every day for the rest of your life, for everyone’s encouragement and confirmation that this is possible.
What you are also suggesting is to do nothing about all the wars and murders and child abuse, the
lies and hypocrisy and treachery arising from the human condition (which is humanity in action) because it is
supposedly “selfish to ‘me’”. “Back there” they are suffering already and there
is nothing ‘you’ can do about it because you are, as ‘you’ are, still contributing to their suffering.
This is what fear does to you, the fear to do something unchartered, unmapped, unprecedented for
‘you’. You forget what you then “deeply and passionately care about” back in March –
Kuba: In short what ‘I’ deeply and passionately care about is
to be innocence personified. To live that which the PCE demonstrated and in doing so to offer (and demonstrate) a solid
alternative to the “hypocrisy, the lack of equity, the ignorant irresponsibility and the harm that was being done
by all”. This innocence is what I (and I am sure others on this forum) detect from you and if I had not
experienced it first hand I would probably have believed it to be impossible.
(8 Mar 2025)
It’s ok, it is a natural reaction when you try to break through before you are ready – though
it means that your arguments don’t make sense. It’s too early to even contemplate it, you could go to the
“advanced base camp” first, then “camp 3”. (Uphill Mountaineering) Plenty of time to worry later. There is still an
in-control virtual freedom available even if you never want to take the ultimate step.
Here is a reminder that ‘your’ morality what is ‘selfish’ is hopelessly skewed (being
unselfish is not the same as ‘self’-lessness or non-‘self-centric) –
R: Most Religions and Spiritual Paths advocate putting the other before oneself ... it is their way of
preventing selfishness – which they assume to be identical with self-centredness. Yet it is self-centred to want to be a ‘good’
person and therefore gain one’s post-mortem reward in some after-life. Immortality for the self has to be classified as being
the ultimate self-centredness. Self-centredness is translated as egotism ... is there such a word as ‘soultism’? There should
be!
Let us have a look at the practice of putting the other before oneself: Take us four sitting here – and
presume we are all ‘good’ people – and I am not going to be ‘selfish’ at all. Therefore I am going to totally look after
(Q) ... I will put her before me in all circumstances. Now, (Q) is also a ‘good’ person and she is not going to be ‘selfish’
either ... so she is going to put Q(1) before herself. However, you have also been brought up with this religious and humanitarian
concept of putting the other before oneself ... therefore you will put Q(2) before yourself ... and Q(2) will be putting me before
himself. We have come a full circle; do you see the nonsense that is going on? Because the end result of putting the other first
is that eventually you get looked after anyway. If we all just stop this charade and start looking after ourselves then we will be
a lot better off. It makes much more sense.
Q: Then nobody owes anybody anything ...
R: There is no investment.
Q: ... and nobody owes me anything, either.
Q(2): There is no relationship.
R: No relationship ... right! It is a free association.
Q(2): The other way that happens is with love. It is like you are always
relating ... well one of the ways of relating is mainly through love. If you love another you put your love on them and they put
their love on you.
R: And it intrinsic to the nature of love to put the other before yourself – it is part of love
itself. However, if one digs deeply into love, one finds that love is so selfish that it is almost unbelievable that one could
have been deceived by the apparent altruism displayed. It is utterly selfish; if you dig down under the layers of the ‘selflessness’
of love ... it is so very selfish.
Q(2): Because there is this ‘I’ll love you if you’ll love me’ thing
going on. It is a bargain. And if one stops the bargain you get the hatred ... if the love is cut ... or ...
Q: Or just the absence of love.
Q(2): With the absence you get the cold ... the cold treatment.
R: Dig another layer deeper and one finds that love supports the very sense of identity it purports to
transcend. And with love, the self survives ... to live another day. Everything that comes out of the self is designed to keep
that self in existence ... all the morality, all the humanitarian ideals ... they all keep the self alive. The whole structure of
society ...
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R: Years ago I had some religious people bail me up and attempt to convert me to their belief – it
would often happen in those days – and they were saying that I should always help people; that that is what we are all here for
is to help other people; to put the other person before oneself. I said to them: ‘Who are these people to be helped? Who are
these ‘others’? What is going to happen to them?’ I would ask this because if one does do all this – only help others and
never oneself – then one goes into an After-Life of some description. I said: ‘What about those people who are being helped?
Where are they going to go to?’
Q: (Laughing) Oh! I like that question!
Q(1): Good question!
R: Well, if one wants to be a helper – a ‘good’ person – one needs a ready supply of victims,
of helpless people. And where are those helpless people going to go to after they die? They are not going to go into some glorious
After-Life because they have not been helping people ... in fact, they have been sucking upon the helpers. So ‘do-gooders’
need a steady supply of victims in order to reach their After-Life of Rapturous Bliss.
And then I would say to them ... because they would tell me I was being selfish ... I would say to them: ‘But
you want to go to your heaven when you die?’ And they would say: ‘Yes’. And I would say: ‘You are only helping other
people in order for yourself to attain your After-Life of Heavenly Bliss. And is this not selfish?’ They would not like that
one. The whole structure of morality hangs upon stuff like this ... that is why there is something really going wrong within
society. The whole morality is back-to-front.
(Audio-Taped Dialogues, Putting the
Other before Oneself).
You can also watch the Out-from-Control video where Richard very clearly says to ‘Vineeto’
“it is selfish to stay”. ‘Vineeto’ had tears in her eyes because the sweetness ‘she’ experienced was extraordinary –
Vineeto: I had known this sweetness from previous occasions – one such experience
happened during the video-shoot of the ‘Out-from-Control’ DVD we present on the website. This sweetness always
accompanied an experience of closeness, barely any separation to the other person (usually Richard), but also an
experience that I was close to my destiny and an awareness that what I am doing/ longing for is not merely for my ‘peace
of mind’, but that it is for everybody, for every single man, woman and child on the planet – for peace on earth.
This sweet longing has always propelled me forward to go all the way, to overcome seemingly insurmountable obstacles
and fears and now I had the privilege to experience this sweet intimacy day after day, morning to night.
(Actualism, Actualvineeto, Articles, Sweetness).
Cheers Vineeto
November 14 2025
ADAM-H: Where I still get off track is when I want to ‘be
somebody’, somebody important. It’s clear how I still have a competing motivation to be recognized, especially in
my career and work, and that keeps me from more wholeheartedly committing. I think that by fully acknowledging this
and sensibly evaluating ‘will this motivation deliver the goods?’ it is losing some influence.
VINEETO: Ah, several people on the forum have recently talked about the same urge to “be
somebody”. It is inherent to being a ‘self’. As a ‘self’ you need constant confirmation from others
that ‘you’ exist.
Richard: The self is what one is born with; it grew out of blind
nature’s method of perpetuating the species via the instinct for survival. All sentient beings have an awareness of
self ... all conscious beings know that they are separate from everything else. Unfortunately, with our ability to
think, which animals do not have, we transformed this instinct for survival into a will to survive – a mental and
emotional operation. This creates a psychological entity – the self – which takes up residence within this body
and feeds off it like a parasite. (Richard, General Correspondence, Page 1, 26 June 1997).
The solution is rather simple – one can diminish the dominance of the ‘self’ by choosing
to transfer the affective energy of the ‘good’ and ‘bad’ feelings towards the felicitous and innocuous
feelings – and you have already decided to do that –
Richard: Which is why I advise minimising both the ‘good’ and
the ‘bad’ feelings and maximising the felicitous feelings – as far as humanly possible – as a salubrious
modus operandi in the meanwhile rather than trying to eliminate them. Not only does this approach have the immediate
benefit of feeling happy and harmless as one goes about one’s normal everyday life but it has the ultimate benefit
of assisting in the rewiring of the brain’s habitual circuitry before the once-in-a-lifetime event happens which
wipes out the identity in toto. (Richard, List B, James2, 22 October 2002).
In other words, rather than following the ‘self’-enhancing urge to “be
somebody”, whenever it appears, you give yourself permission to put everything on a preference basis –
Richard: A general rule of thumb is: if it is a preference it is a
self-less inclination; if it is an urge it is a self-centred desire.
(Richard, Actual Freedom List, 25d, 14 January 2004).
Please note – the aim it not to become self-less as in unselfish, but less
“self-centred”, more naïve.
If you put everything on a preference basis you soon find out that this self-diminishing
inclination makes being continuously happy and harmless much easier and increasingly fun, evincing marvel and wonder.
Chrono said in a recent post to the forum – perhaps you can relate to it –
Chrono: Thus in an overall manner to having more fun consistently the thing that sticks
out to me the most is what I can only describe as a persona that’s bent on being sophisticated. A sophisticate.
Making things complicated. Setting up an “image” of myself. Being serious. Even the visceral manoeuvring in
my thinking and feeling. I found immediate relief in this noticing because only in this way I finally don’t have to
be a “someone”. Interestingly, it was one of my major qualms with work that I noticed a while back. It’s
not that work itself is majorly difficult, it’s that I have to be a “someone” at work. But it’s
actually enjoyable when I don’t. Being a “someone” is a serious business. And this extends to pretty much
every aspect of my life.
(Chrono3, 6 Nov 2025)
It’s a grand adventure.
Cheers Vineeto
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