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(List D refers to Richard’s List D
Vineeto’s Selected Correspondence Belonging
VINEETO to Henry: Personally, I still keep my own counsel as to what name
they go by or how they are organized. It’s enough to know that a large group of people secretly but quite obviously
have nefarious and Malthusian aims, plans and plenty of means, ways and power to be quite successful at present. As an
uninformed and gullible citizen ‘I’ used to wonder why there were so many wars when apparently none of the ordinary
people really wanted to go to war. It took a long time to find out why.
CLAUDIU: Although there may be a few large key players that actually set the agenda, I am not sure if there’s really an actual shadowy cabal of people working in concert to do this. I could see it being a psychic chimera that exists only in the human psyche which swirls and sworls and now has a life of its own. Some may call it a demon — of course it would not be any corporal demon but as a psychic phenomenon one could call it that. In more prosaic terms, the apparent collective thrust in one anti-human political direction may very well be an emergent phenomenon, fuelled by instinctual passions, rather than one orchestrated by a small elite. This is only supposition on my part but the latter is a more plausible explanation to me currently. VINEETO: Hi Claudiu, It seems pointless to work out which opinion is more in line with facts as there are very few confirmed
facts available, given the ‘cabal’s’ secret nature. The effects and extent of their actions demonstrably cover a
wide range, such as dominant influence in international governments, and government departments such as military,
federal police, national security, education and judiciary, as well as banking, certain influential industries and main
media, to name but a few. The World Economic Forum itself appears to have similarly stated dictatorial aims (“you
vill own nothing and vill be happy!” With the extent of misinformation, disinformation, and scare-tactics it is hard to find out what is factually going on. If it is a “small elite” or a large affiliation does not really matter – even a small ‘virus’, via ‘gain of function’, can spread worldwide, and given the passionate nature of the psychic “swirls and sworls”, it is easy to make frequent and effective use of the instinctual passions as a strategy to pit one group of peasants against another to divert attention from the puppet masters. In the final analysis, those vitally interested to be actually free from the human condition only need to be informed and investigative enough to discover and discard their own loyalty and belonging, their attitudes, affiliations, values, principles and finally the tendency and capacity to believing itself, in other words, be able to free themselves of the trappings of their own peasant mentality and social identity. With sincerity and naiveté this can be a fun activity, when one discovers one’s dignity and autonomy, as one bond of belonging and loyalty to one group or another dissolves in the thrilling revelation that they are not only unnecessary but in fact detrimental to ongoing felicity and genuine caring. CLAUDIU: In any case, as DOGE and the executive grant has just cut off their funding at the root,
expect a massive backlash and reaction from the tens and perhaps hundreds of thousands of people whose livelihoods are
now at stake. They have nothing to lose and will certainly fight back! VINEETO: Thank you for your detailed and very informative report. It is fascinating to read about the extensive current action of “DOGE” to restrict the massive wasteful spending of funds that can be so much more beneficially applied elsewhere. Cheers Vineeto
HENRY: As long as I had been playing within the sandbox of my pre-approved belief system there was no thrill and no jeopardy, because everything had already been ‘set up’ by someone else, some distant authority who was ‘in charge’ of what was going to happen, thus absolving me of any involvement – all I had to do was agree with the talking points, argue with the right people, and maybe show up to the occasional protest. It’s clear to me in this moment that that has had an anesthetizing effect on me. Now, it’s more obvious that these things are actually happening, and by fully involving myself, I am obviously involved in the outcome as well. I am no longer an anonymous sheep, but an acting agent. An interesting element is that I can see myself instinctively seeking a ‘tribe,’ for example instinctively pre-emptively defending the opposite political camp despite still having an infantile understanding of the field. Apparently it is unbearable to not be in any camp at all. VINEETO: This “instinctively seeking a ‘tribe’” is, of course, the instinctive need to belong which had been operating all along but now is more apparent because you no longer oblige automatically but are “an acting agent”. As for “defending the opposite political camp” I am reminded of what you recently wrote –
There is a third alternative, and you are already acting on the sincere intent to become free from the human condition. HENRY: Returning to the initial subject above, there is some connection. I research because I want the best outcome for all, myself included, and that is a felt desire. I think part of where I have dissociated has been from being rejected by my peers in the past (primarily online along identity politics lines) and feeling hurt by that. I found myself in a strange position of partly still believing in their views while also feeling hurt & threatened by them. It left me with a resentment and anger that I felt I had to hide, which I think has led to the dissociation. Part of that dissociation has been an inability to see my ‘enemies’ as humans – I see them only as people that I desire to be closer to, while simultaneously experiencing fear and anger toward them. A lot of how this has been beginning to resolve has been by recognizing that they (as individuals) are victims of their own belief systems. Their social and cultural lives have centered around holding certain beliefs, and within those beliefs they might see me as lesser, or as an enemy. They don’t know me, but the judgment is there. So it was never really about me, it was about their beliefs. There isn’t much I can do to change anyone’s mind, so it’s best to just move on with my life. I also now see them as being just as lost as I felt until very recently. VINEETO: The more you uncover and understand ‘who’ you are – this lost, lonely,
frightened and very cunning entity inside – the more you can also acknowledge and recognize that you are like
everyone else – a fellow human being afflicted with the same beliefs, principles, feelings and passions. This
sincere recognition allows you to re-awaken your long-lost naiveté where you like yourself and like others HENRY: I had a very moving experience yesterday watching a live seminar in my town with a variety of political & social alignments all working toward the same goal of combating human trafficking. I could see how everyone was trying to put together what was happening, that they all cared a lot about the issue but they each had their own worldview of what the issue was and how to tackle it. It was comedic at times seeing how big the gulf in worldviews and priorities was, but the common thread was that felt desire to do something. That’s the humanizing for me right now, and that’s where I can see I’m beginning to open up again. VINEETO: I am reminded of this particular quote from Richard –
What you experienced in a “moving” way “watching a live seminar” were not merely “humanitarian ideals” but they can potentially become “evident as an actuality” as the inherent values of the overarching benignity and benevolence of the infinitude of the universe. This sporadic coming together of human beings in order to actualize some of the “humanitarian ideals of peace, kindness, caring, benevolence and humaneness” is wonderful to observe or participate in. Even though this action is so often brought to naught by interference from the instinctual passions, it is nevertheless marvellous what beneficiary feats have been achieved despite the human condition. HENRY: I can’t prevent others from attacking me sometimes, but as Claudiu pointed out I can be thoughtful/ careful about what I say to who, and when I am attacked I can recognize where they are coming from and not take it personally, not retreat into a depressive shell as I always have. That’s where engaging in thrill is again helpful. Plenty of thrill to go around here! Through this process, good & evil & the powers they wield have begun to come into focus.
I have distanced myself from them for so long that it’s not fully there, but I intend to engage as fully as I can. VINEETO: Hint – when you remove your own emotional hooks of feeling anger, indignance, annoyance, hurt and so on, you will be increasingly emotionally untouched by others “attacking” you. Then their arrows won’t reach their intended target as in “water off a duck’s back”. In other words, when you are felicitous, any personal attack will not be felt by you as a personal attack, and your adversary recognizes psychically that their arrow hasn’t reached its target. Then you can put facts right, if the effort appears necessary, or call them out as being silly. When you are not affected emotionally you can treat them as fellow human beings, afflicted by the same passions like everyone including yourself. Then a more amicable discussion is a possibility. The first part of the quote cited above might be helpful as well –
Cheers Vineeto
VINEETO: As Richard explained, ‘Vineeto’ “had shifted ‘her’ familially-inculcated and societally-instilled allegiance to ‘the system’ at large over onto the spiritual commune” and therefore had no issue with real-world peasant-mentality topics such as career, status, wealth and ‘disguised slavery’ except those applicable in the commune. For instance, the ‘slavery’ consisted of doing work without pay in order to belong to a slightly more privileged ‘inner’ circle. KUBA: I was going to write this exactly that these ‘counter
culture’ values can end up working in the same way as spiritual values in that they are very slimy to get hold of.
They appear to offer an escape from the grind and yet it is all the same game under a different guise. Which does
make it that much harder to expose. And this has been the case exactly with me, that it was so obvious for me to
release those values as they applied to working a career etc and yet those same values would leave me restless unless
I was constantly progressing in my “alternate endeavours”. The hierarchy, the power, the recognition, the
belonging etc it was all there but hidden. VINEETO: Hi Kuba, Ha, you are so right. I remember when Richard in an early conversation in 1998 said that he could drive buses through the large holes in any religion/ spirituality, ‘Vineeto’ was flabbergasted as ‘she’ could not see any hole in any of their/ ‘her’ spiritual beliefs. ‘She’ had swallowed Eastern mysticism hook, line and sinker thanks to the powerful seductive atmosphere of divine love and compassion in the commune. People who haven’t experienced it personally usually don’t comprehend the power of these psychic vibes emanating from an enlightened ‘being’ and just deem followers as silly, while not recognizing their own entrapment. If ‘Vineeto’ had noticed any structure and/or hierarchy of values and principles, for instance privileges for those with a lot of money, it was ok, because the goal was ‘good’. Hence dismantling it all took a while and questioning loyalty at the start made it a lot easier. Cheers Vineeto
VINEETO: Indeed, it does take some time but what it really takes is action. Observing is not enough and they won’t fall away by themselves. Actualism is not the neo-buddhistic ‘noting’ which is nothing but a dissociation practice. SCOUT: Good pointer, thank you. I definitely still retain some degree of buddhist passivity. VINEETO: What it takes is paying diligent attention whenever you notice a diminishment of feeling good, you take note of the trigger and then investigate the cause of the trigger – sometimes it is an old habit which you can decline, sometimes it is something deeper which needs further exploration. Don’t remain passive, which is obvious an acquired habit which only serves to keep you miserable. * VINEETO: Presently you merely proved to yourself that your addiction to suffering is indeed unchangeable and therefore justified. Do you recognize the trick you play with yourself? You simply changed suffering about your own pain (which is too difficult to look at because of an underlying fear) to suffering for other people’s sake, especially in situations in which you can do nothing and where your own sympathy, empathy and compassion can offer no practical assistance. It only makes you suffer on their behalf on top of suffering on your own behalf so that you can feel less ‘selfish’. SCOUT: Also true!! And it’s hard to let go of too because of tribal allegiances, because compassion and self-sacrifice is a high moral virtue within my family (who I am very close with). I’ve actually started questioning the tenets of compassion and martyrdom with them in the past and they bristled rather strongly so I dropped it. VINEETO: Ah, there you have uncovered one reason for maintaining this habit of remaining passive – loyalty. Excellent. There is no need to “questioning the tenets of compassion and martyrdom with them”, you only need to question those “tenets of compassion and martyrdom” with yourself. Be courageous to leave the nest because remaining in the fold of “tribal allegiances” has only served to keep you imprisoned with their demands of “suffering together” (com-passion). You do not need, nor can you change others. The only person you can and need to change is yourself. SCOUT: I guess their compassion, like mine, is limited in scope and
does not extend its mercy to those who don’t subscribe to a similar world view. At any rate, it definitely doesn’t
help anyone to linger in pain just because other people are in pain, for whatever reason. VINEETO: Ha, that is a high prize for receiving a sense of allegiance, don’t you think? Here is a snippet of conversation feeling being ‘Vineeto’ had with Richard on that very topic in 1997 –
There are more details on this topic in “Basic to Full Freedom Be courageous and begin to take your life into your own hands. You already made the first step in discovering what is presently holding back. Cheers Vineeto
VINEETO: Hi Sonya, SONYA: Another one of the
good feelings I’ve noticed pops up quite often is the feeling of belonging. I think the feeling of belonging isn’t
caring. It means that you belong to a group and by that exclude others that don’t belong to your group. There’s a
Taylor Swift song called “You’re on your own kid” that always makes me well up. Essentially it’s about
the feeling of needing and wanting to belong. That is the other side of belonging, being lonely. So ultimately, to
free myself from being lonely (bad feeling), I will also have to free myself from belonging (good feeling). I think
hahaha. I’m kinda just writing and trying to figure it out at the same time. VINEETO: Exactly. The feeling of belonging is a two-edged sword. You seek to belong so as to not feel lonely, and yet you find that there are various strings attached in order to belong. In fact, you can almost call such strings (unwritten) social contracts because you have to behave in a certain way in order to belong. We have touched on it briefly before, when you talked about not being able to talk about the feeling of love with your girlfriends the way they do, for instance –
Feeling connected is also part of belonging –
There is a deeper reason why the feeling of belonging is so important for every feeling being –
There is more, perhaps eye-opening, correspondence here Another one of the good feelings is desire, and Chrono has described his own investigation into sexual desire –
There are more ‘good’ feelings such as other loving and trusting feelings like hope, compassion, gratitude and faith, but that can be a topic for another time. Cheers Vineeto
SONYA: Hi Vineeto, I really appreciate all the info you’ve provided here. Reading the conversation Richard had about feeling caring vs actual caring has started the cogs turning in my head, it makes sense that I have never actually cared, and that the feeling caring is ultimately self-centred. It makes more sense to follow being considerate, it has less of that affective nurturing flavour of caring I think. VINEETO: Hi Sonya, you are welcome. Yes, actually caring only happens when ‘I’ am in abeyance or extinct. Richard’s writing about feeling caring doesn’t mean one should stop caring, simply to be aware of the nature of such caring – there is still a practical taking care possible and happening. Considering other fellow human beings and treat them with respect/regard, friendliness, kindliness, naiveté and amiability is certainly a less self-centric and hence a more enjoyable and innocuous way of interacting. * VINEETO: Exactly. The feeling of belonging is a two-edged sword. You seek to belong so as to not feel lonely, and yet you find that there are various strings attached in order to belong. In fact, you can almost call such strings (unwritten) social contracts because you have to behave in a certain way in order to belong. SONYA: Yes I can see that I definitely alter my behaviour around different groups in order to belong or feel like I belong, I always end up feeling like I’ve sold myself out a little after. VINEETO: Indeed. This altering of behaviour is what makes you feel “I’ve sold myself out”. ‘Vineeto’ remembers this feeling well but gaining more autonomy and confidence by doing the actualism method eventually resulted in ‘her’ liking herself, and therefore the need to change how ‘she’ presented ‘herself’ slowly disappeared. Here is what ‘she’ wrote at the time –
The more you are happy and harmless, the more naïve you can be. The more you like yourself the more the need for self-image becomes redundant.
The rest of this correspondence might be informative to you as well. When you understand more and more “the ridiculous part in all this” because “we are fellow human beings anyway” then the need for ‘selling out’ for the sake of belonging might also become redundant. Cheers Vineeto
Freedom from the Human Condition – Happy and Harmless Vineeto’s & Richard’s Text ©The Actual
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