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Vineeto’s Correspondence with Chrono on Discuss Actualism Forum
VINEETO: Hi Chrono, CHRONO: I am finding all the writing as of late very inspiring! The emphasis on appreciation is very much a game changer. Like some others, I wasn’t paying attention to that word and how much up-levelling it can do to feeling good. All the way to feeling the sweetness! There was an experience that I had while trying it out. An experience that I only had once before when I was reading a particular story that Richard wrote. Firstly, it was Claudiu’s very clear post some time ago on trying it out for yourself that
made it happen. So thanks for the effort you put into your writing. I was actually feeling bad while reading that
post. But I wanted to try it out. So I set aside the reason for just a minute and felt good. Then I started thinking
about how it feels good to just feel good. I got a sense of ‘this is precious’. I continued thinking on it and it
turned into a ‘wow it’s amazing to be alive’. I’m not able to quite convey it with words, but it was so
amazing to just be alive that I thought ‘everyone deserves this’. It really made me think ‘could I really live
like this forever’? Then it occurred to me that this experience is actually a moment away at anytime I want. In
fact I can do it right now as I write this. And I know this may sound crazy, but instead of going fully into it, I
have been thinking every day if I should because of some objections that keep coming up. VINEETO: This is an excellent experiential report how the actualism can work in practice instantly. All that you needed was “I wanted to try it out” with the intent to succeed. And you discovered that “in fact I can do it right now”. So now you know experientially how to feel good “all the way to feeling the sweetness!” It is that from this vantage point of experiencing this moment that you can look in a dispassionate way at whatever objection is at the forefront of your mind preventing you to continue the feeling the sweetness. CHRONO: My feeling bad stemmed from how I become in relationships. I’m not sure if it’s trauma or if it is how I am but I always become very insecure and afraid my partner will abandon me. It’s an all pervasive feeling and I can only describe it as hell. The worst feeling in the world. I’m currently in a relationship and it’s at that point despite my partner not having done anything for me to feel this way. My main objection then is that I will lose my partner if I feel good all the time. It’s like I have to be ever-vigilant. How will I have a relationship? The only thing that doesn’t send me spiralling into it is that I have this sense that I can feel good anytime I want to that’s stayed with me. All of this sounds insane as I write it actually. I’ll have to think on it more. VINEETO: What you are describing here is love. Naming the issue is the first step to be able to successfully contemplate it. Being in love invariable comes with both pining and possessiveness, to name but two, resulting in “an all pervasive feeling and I can only describe it as hell”.
Here he also describes how love inevitably fails –
And here is Richard’s collected description about both ‘Peter’s’ and ‘Vineeto’s’
experiences and investigative realisations during their time of being in love, which can give you some ideas how to
contemplate and investigate your own situation – Of course, you don’t have to talk it through with your partner unless she is willing, you can have the necessary realisations and actualizations unilaterally. After all, you said that “despite my partner not having done anything for me to feel this way”. The important thing is that you recognize that the sweet feeling of love and the “all pervasive feeling” of hell are not two different issues, they are the two sides of the same coin. When love is gone (which it inevitably will once you stop feeding it) the way is clear for recognizing your partner as a fellow human being and allow the resultant naivete and an exquisite intimacy to flourish.
Hi Chrono, I appreciate your thoughtful response. VINEETO: It is that from this vantage point of experiencing this moment that you can look in a dispassionate way at whatever objection is at the forefront of your mind preventing you to continue the feeling the sweetness. CHRONO: Perhaps that may be the issue. I keep trying to
look at it from a vantage point of being in the feeling. But when I’m out of it I ‘check’ if it’s there and
it can come back. But this ‘checking’ that I am doing may really be a perverse way of being these loving/hellish
feelings over and over again. It really drives home the ‘I’ am ‘my’ feelings and ‘my’ feelings are ‘me’
fact. Because when I’m feeling the sweetness, there are really no issues at all. It’s like I’ve been playing
pretend. VINEETO: You probably know from experience how different it is when you look at some issue
from the vantage point of feeling good, even of feeling excellent. Then you can examine the trigger and look at your
previous feelings not only dispassionately but an also contemplate dianoetically
* VINEETO: What you are describing here is love. Naming the issue is the first step to be able to successfully contemplate it. CHRONO: It’s funny that you call it that because I have been approaching looking at it as anything but that. Now that I think about it, perhaps there is a ‘truth’ that has been blocking the seeing of this. Basically it goes something like ‘love is not like that’ or ‘real love is not like that’ or ‘healthy love is not like that’. It’s further cemented when I read forums where everyone describes healthy ways of being in love and how it seems to be great and what not. Maybe there is, but I don’t know how anyone can describe it as so amazing to be honest. The one thing I can’t get past is how anyone can be in love without being possessive or being exclusive. So I keep thinking perhaps there is something wrong with me. VINEETO: Ha, there is nothing is wrong with *you* – as Claudiu already explained
below Hence love itself (the ideal of love) has never been questioned (until Richard). It was always considered to be the individual’s fault that it never delivered what it promised. The intrinsic promise of love is that it will dissolve the separation, which two identities automatically experience, yet by the very nature of love being within the human condition and arising of the instinctual passions, this promise can never be fulfilled.
Richard gave the breakdown of “The Chemistry of Love”
in his "Examen of the Invention of Heterosexuality"
The alternative is to “increasing naive intimacy, enjoyment and delight” as Claudiu
explained it so well below Feeling being ‘Grace’ had a gradation of five stages of intimacy –
Remember to have fun when you are inclined to explore it.
CHRONO: It has been a while since I wrote as I’ve gone thru a roller coaster of feelings and have come to a more calm and stable place. Of course it had to do with love but it gave me the impetus to move forward. Seeing and experiencing constantly that it does not work in bringing about a personal and interpersonal peace. I’ve also been hesitant in writing as I don’t like to write when I’m feeling not so great but maybe that might help in getting out of it too. VINEETO: Hi Chrono, Welcome back. What an excellent and rich report about your discoveries and insights! CHRONO: After I wrote my previous response I had begun engaging in ‘nipping it in the bud’ of all the loving and related feelings that I came across. I started doing it as it seemed that was the only course of action. I had already seen and experienced that it brought much suffering. Due to this I started experiencing feelings of meaninglessness, desolation, and bleakness as far as the ‘eye’ can see. What it revealed was that love was a way to cover up my loneliness. ‘I’ created an imaginary version of another person based on a dream and how ‘I’ intuited them to be and then essentially pretended that ‘I’ could be in union with this imaginary ‘other’. An instinctual movement towards assuaging the essential loneliness. When I become vulnerable thru trust in love, I am hoping that this other person will reciprocate this state of vulnerability. But in the process, I am revealing my fundamental loneliness and aloneness. If this other does not match the dream of love, then I feel it more deeply than I have ever felt before. The whole process is illusionary. The other person that ‘I’ am dreaming of does not exist. They can never match the dream. And vice versa as well. A sad state of affairs. This is further compounded for me because it has occurred to me that many people actually ignore or pretend that the ‘bad’ side of love does not exist. People will tell me that ‘I’ am too focused on it. But I cannot ignore it because it’s always there. Something is off with the whole business of relating with other people. And it is from this, my genuine desire for peace springs forth. My desire so far has been to uncover everything I can so that it can be in plain view. I also feel a fear behind this of ‘who do I think I am’. Like an authority telling me to sit down and shut up. VINEETO: In order to successfully ‘nip in the bud’ it’s essential to have understood the underlying patterns of the occurring feelings you want to ‘nip’. Obviously there is still some remnant investment in love, which is not surprising, as it is considered the highly-prized cure-all for loneliness and the mess of the human condition in general. You have made some significant inroads into understanding love, especially knowing that it has a ‘bad’ side. The key ingredient for feeling-being ‘Vineeto’ was, when ‘she’ investigated the pining
aspect of love, ‘her’ childhood-inspired romantic dream of belonging to a man and therefrom having an iron-clad
identity as a woman You say “The other person that ‘I’ am dreaming of does not exist. They can never match the dream.” It goes further than that, love itself can never fulfil the dream it inherently promises – it’s an empty chimera and will never bridge the separation so longed for by the lonely isolated identities who fall for love’s glamorous promise. If this fact, that love will not solve your problem of aloneness and loneliness, is allowed to sink in, as an irrefutable fact, love will lose its appeal and you can regain your autonomy and dignity as a person in your own right – and simultaneous recognize your partner’s own autonomy and dignity. It also dispenses with pining and jealousy in one fell swoop. With autonomy and dignity restored you can then naively relate to your fellow human beings in an
increasingly intimate way, unilaterally. I know from experience how much a woman can appreciate intimacy, even though
she may not know that this is really what she is looking for when she says she wants love. You will find out yourself
when you proceed interacting with your partner in an intimate rather than loving way. CHRONO: Anyways, I continued this process and due to this desolation I thought my partner would also start feeling the same way. They did not as far as I know and I actually kind of preferred this way of being over being in love. But nonetheless something else triggered possessiveness when my partner was talking with another man. I started feeling jealous and it put me in a state of muddled thinking. I nipped that in the bud. But then my partner brought up wanting to hang out with this other man and their partner. This again triggered the same feelings. This time it caused much suffering and it took some time to claw my way back out. Talking with my partner helped and they confirmed that it had been my own reaction which was making things seem the way they were. So I asked myself if I am repressing something. I genuinely wanted to know if I was but I kept going over and over thru the same old feelings. Then it became clear there was a missing ingredient: intent. I realized that I would always run thru the same old feelings unless I consistently maintained
the intent to be happy and harmless. I realized that it had to be an overreaching intent that had to be weaved thru
my entire life for it to work and for me to not fall back thru the same ways of being. Some things I read on here and
AFT website gave me clues. I had to do my part in ‘reaching’ as much as I could towards the actual. There were
some clues in my everyday life as well. I would feel good when I had the genuine intent for it. The times that I did
not feel good was when doubt came thru and I was not being sincere. There was some reason or belief that was in the
way that prevented it from happening. I could not pretend to feel good because it intellectually made sense, I have
to genuinely want it. Otherwise the instinctual ways of being will easily override any endeavour. VINEETO: To have sincere intent is vital. I noticed an aspect in your report is about control, ‘me’ controlling ‘me’ to move into the direction ‘I’ think is right – and that approach is sudorific, at best. Even though the ingredient may be right, the outcome is still a serious enterprise of ‘you’ forcing yourself to be in a particular way. Sincerity will allow you to unlock your hidden-away-during-puberty naiveté More in the next section.
CHRONO: Another clue that stuck out for me was the word ‘unilateral’. Richard writes that only unilateral action will do the trick. That means it is not dependent on others. I had the fear that I would lose my partner if I chose to just feel good. But thru the few times that I have chosen to be that way with her, it definitely was better in every way. In being that way, there was a freedom that love could never grant. I did not experience her thru my insecurities or other fears. She is a free person and another individual. Unlike love, this is a free intimacy and nothing like what my fears intuited it to be. In fact, I think love is a bondage and yet another way of being in thrall. Even writing that, I can feel Humanity shaking its finger at me. VINEETO: Yes, acting unilaterally is a very important clue. Richard reports when ‘he’ first realized that nobody was in charge of the world.
Hence you can do with your life as you choose (as long as you obey the legal laws and social protocols) and it depends on every person’s unilateral action to bring about peace-on-earth. It does not require the cooperation of a single person ... let alone “Humanity”. So whenever “Humanity” is “shaking its finger at me” you know you are on the right track.
CHRONO: Then realizations had been hitting me back and forth for a bit. One thing that
just smacked me in the face was like ‘all I have to do is feel good’. And this is easy. Whatever comes, I will do
it feeling good. So I decided that I would not think about anything or do anything unless I was feeling good. This
worked for quite a few days. I had the longest stretch of feeling good that I’ve ever experienced in a long time.
Right around at the beginning of this I had another realization about being alive. It actually caught me by surprise.
I was taking a shower and I became aware instantly that this entire time it has been this moment. It sounds like
almost mundane. But quite literally, this entire time (forever) it has only been this moment. Even as I am writing
this the implications of this are churning in my mind. All the ‘past’, ‘present’, and ‘future’ don’t
have an actual existence. When I realized this, I became fascinated and I felt even more good automatically. So much
safety and security in this moment. What a relief that only this moment exists. And another realization came some
time after this one. Only I as this body can know that this moment exists. This one has been simmering for a little
while longer. I am allowing it to gestate. There were a few other stand out experiences of perhaps a similar nature. […] VINEETO: This is a serendipitous insight – only this flesh-and-blood body “can know that this moment exists”, and that now is the only moment you can actually experience. And given that this is the only moment you can actually experience, any time spent feeling bad is a waste of this precious actual moment. And with this experience comes the insight that there is “so much safety and security in this moment” – it is truly magical. Remember those valuable insights – they need actualizing for them to take effect in your life.
CHRONO: I also had some insight into authority. I’ve been seeing that very clearly that no one has any idea what they are doing in regards to living happily and harmlessly. I had been reading up on social identity and saw that there’s a semblance of peace in the world but not actual peace. No one was acknowledging the root cause of why there has not been any peace in the world. They are doing anything but addressing it (the same as I had been). So there is a widespread insincerity. Everyone is playing pretend and I also had internalized this and pretended like everyone else. By choosing to feel good irregardless of circumstances, I sometimes feel I am standing up to all of Humanity. How dare I feel good while the world suffers (or something like that)? Yet I feel more authentic when I am feeling good than at any other time. It’s the doubt casted by my internalizing of Humanity’s many ways of being that pull me back every time. By choosing to be how Humanity is, I give up being authentic. Now I see all of this is because Humanity has not actually addressed the root cause of there not being any peace. VINEETO: It’s excellent that you more and more recognize the insincerity in ‘humanity’s’ morals and ethics because that will let you it shrug off more easily when you feel that ‘humanity’ is shaking its finger at you. There really is no such thing as humanity, it is a collectively felt phantom – there are only flesh-and-blood human beings (albeit all subject to instinctual passions and the identity formed thereof). As such the feeling that humanity is pulling you back is felt as real (as in you should obey the moral and ethical rules) but it is not actual. “Humanity has not actually addressed the root cause of there not being any peace” because it cannot – only individuals humans can do that – and it is delicious to slip out from under ‘humanity’s’ internalized yoke and devote one’s life to something really worth-while that can result in the perfection of actuality becoming apparent. CHRONO: So I had a unique experience after that. Unique because I had not experienced
something like it before. So seeing as how Humanity does not know what it is doing, were there any real rules? Could
I just become actually free if I wanted to? I had been contemplating this at home and then when I was at work as
well. It was a particularly slow day at work so I just reflected on it more. As I was feeling somewhere between
neutral to good at the time, I thought of this moment and how it has been this moment this whole time. I became aware
of a ‘bigness’ or immensity. Not quite sure of how else to describe it. It grew and it was as if my awareness was
drifting into outer space without any central focus. My normal way of being I’d describe as ‘indolent’ in the
sense of I stayed the same fundamentally. But now I was electrified, invigorated, and exhilarated. It felt like
something was performing surgery in my head. As awareness ‘grew’, I saw all of ‘me’ as a point and felt the
sensation of it at my navel area. It reminded me of the ‘pale blue dot’. Except all of me was this pale blue dot.
I felt all of sorrow and was on the verge of tears but the tears would not come. I’m not quite sure why after that,
but I came back down to earth. I was back to normal and felt kind of frustrated after that. I felt frustrated that I
couldn’t allow it to proceed further. The following days I allowed myself to slip below neutral. Then I once again
gathered sufficient intent to feel good again. […] VINEETO: To me it sounds like a description of having made a connection with pure intent. The contrast to being normal can be quite overwhelming so your pulling back is a natural reaction. Let this awareness grow again via fascinated attention and reflective contemplation all the way to apperceptive awareness.
What an exciting adventure it is to be on the wide and wondrous path to an actual freedom. I really enjoyed your whole report.
VINEETO: In order to successfully ‘nip in the bud’ it’s essential to have understood the underlying patterns of the occurring feelings you want to ‘nip’. Obviously there is still some remnant investment in love, which is not surprising, as it is considered the highly-prized cure-all for loneliness and the mess of the human condition in general. CHRONO: Yes this was my understanding as well but I had not
been making any further headway in clearing it up completely so that it’s just second nature to not go in that
direction. I thought maybe I just had to actively nip it in the bud and that perhaps it was a habitual action in
going towards love. I’ve seen the underlying patterns too many times so I thought maybe I was just being crazy to
keep “investigating” it.
Perhaps I need to go further and ween myself as well. I had noticed that love and my relation to it plays into the male identity too. When I think about it, it feels like that to be successful in love also means being successful in society in general. Those who can outwardly show that they are successful in their relationships are seen as exemplars of knowing the secret to living a happy life. And I think that coupled with the psychological authority set in place and built upon since childhood serves to create a persistent doubt that “they” know something that I don’t. VINEETO: Hi Chrono, You are very welcome. I see you already discovered more to understand love and man-woman relating from an additional aspect – the identity of being a ‘man’ in society’s eyes. This “persistent doubt” is nothing other than your social conditioning you have been subject to from an early age – of course you feel “that “they” know something that I don’t”. However, if you look more closely at the individuals who make up ‘society’, it will become obvious to you that the ‘happy’ and “successful in their relationships” façade is just that. Just study women’s magazines, watch the news, observe your neighbours and workmates, and you find that what is presented in Hollywood movies is not the whole picture. Here, for instance, are ‘Peter’s’ observation from his Journal – (Peter’s Journal, ‘Foreword’) You can find more on this topic in Peter’s Selected Writings on Living Together. The best way to explore this topic is by approaching it in a naïve way, by putting aside preconceived sophisticated ideas of what you should be like as a man or as a partner, and start exploring afresh what it is like to interact with a fellow human being who happens to be a female. You might even discover what you have in common and also what the “battle of the sexes”, the notion of a woman’s camp and a man’s camp, prevents you from finding out. With the sincere, and unilateral, intent to be happy and harmless a lot can be explored in a friendly fashion (which includes being friendly with yourself). CHRONO: I also find interesting that in one of the articles posted by Richard that lust is also described as love (lust, attraction, attachment). But most often, it is the attraction and attachment parts that are described as love. Perhaps an attempt to separate out the ‘bad’ from the ‘good’. I feel lust and attraction more often than attachment. At one point I sat with lust and attraction and it became so strong that it seemed like an overpowering desire. In the middle it felt like it was more about sexual conquest than anything to do with caring for another person. I’ve had many occasions before when I am out at a social setting with a woman I liked that I was actually in a competition in the jungle with other men trying to “win” and be better so that I may prove myself worthy of being with this woman. Even further than that it seems like it’s about vying for status everywhere I go. And behind it all then must be this instinctual desire for power. When I felt it, it also made me a little embarrassed that I had these feelings. VINEETO: Ha, it’s not easy to admit that sexual desire is happening, neither socially nor privately, so it is more coyly labelled ‘attraction’ or ‘beauty’ or ‘appeal’. It is exactly as you describe it, the law of the “jungle” where the raw instinctual passions are dictating one’s feelings and behaviour. It is advantageous that you felt “a little embarrassed” – this is the very feeling which can open the door to naiveté. Try it out, it is delicious once you overcome your first hesitation to feeling a bit foolish. CHRONO: Another aspect that may be further compounding the suffering of love for me is perhaps related to all of this. It’s tied to the male identity. Basically, if I fail at love then it means I’m a failure of society in general. Putting all of this together then it seems like it’s about “winning” and conquest rather than about any sort of peace or intimacy. Then my partner also has her own identity of what it is to be a woman. Both of this male and female identity seem to be at odds with one another. It feels like then to abandon this male identity means to abandon how I relate with women as well. This leaves that feeling of loneliness and aloneness again. […] VINEETO: Don’t give up so easily. It’s a fascinating adventure when one is involved in discovering the details of what makes up a man’s identity, and the more you discover the more it will fall away applying fascinated attention to those details. What remains is being more what you are, a fellow human being, and as I said to you before, I know from personal experience how much a woman can appreciate intimacy just as much as men do, even though she may not know that this is really what she is looking for when she says she wants love. * VINEETO: To have sincere intent is vital. I noticed an aspect in your report is about control, ‘me’ controlling ‘me’ to move into the direction ‘I’ think is right – and that approach is sudorific, at best. Even though the ingredient may be right, the outcome is still a serious enterprise of ‘you’ forcing yourself to be in a particular way. CHRONO: It’s interesting that you do notice that control
aspect in the report as it’s a problem that I know I have struggled with for a long time. I have a tendency to
break myself into two with one “working on” the other. It feels like it’s the only way I can
“do” anything. In the beginning, even looking at feelings created a split. ‘I’ would try to make myself
feel something else and it would create really great discomfort that I could feel in my body. It also highlights a
fundamental confusion within ‘me’. VINEETO: Indeed, forcing or manipulating yourself to feel something you don’t feel is bound to fail. Recognize that ‘I’ am my feelings, in contrast to I have feelings which I want to control/ manoeuvre. Recognizing and acknowledging that you are your feelings you discover that you do have a choice to be felicitous and innocuous feelings (and naiveté). Also, do not attempt to investigate any problems or issues unless you are at least feeling good, if not better. Unless the actualism method is fun and easy, fascinating and adventurous, you are missing one or more of the above-mentioned vital ingredients, which can easily be corrected.
CHRONO: I’ve been focusing on the last two months on naiveté. Perhaps this is the missing element in my life. And I did have an experience of it. First I saw that it was behind my debilitating doubt about how the world and humanity knows something that I don’t as I wrote on further back. The notion or thought of challenging this made me feel like a fool or embarrassed. I just watched how this manifested in many areas of my life. From work to relationships to all of my interactions and all the dots started connecting. There’s an entire edifice that conveys the feeling that I would just be stupid to just enjoy life right now simply for being alive. It manifests as a rampant cynicism. I can see it clearly now in myself and others being reinforced on many occasions. It has quite an oppressive quality. VINEETO: Hi CrossChrono, Ah, it’s always a pleasure to hear someone endorse naiveté and even more so calling it “the missing element in my life”. Even though you may be right suspecting that many people (not “humanity” though) know something, anything, that you don’t – you now know something so elemental to feeling good that many people would envy you for waking up to that and start living it as you seem to have done. * VINEETO: It is advantageous that you felt “a little embarrassed” – this is the very feeling which can open the door to naiveté. Try it out, it is delicious once you overcome your first hesitation to feeling a bit foolish. CHRONO: I took note of this and kept it in mind. Also as I followed along everyone’s journeys here, I allowed myself to feel embarrassed anyway instead of turning back. Actually I feel it right now as I’m writing this because of sharing it here, like maybe I should doubt my own experience haha. But I’ve already been down that path and it just leads back to the same old same old. When I did allow myself to feel it I had a glimpse into seeing the world in an almost magical way. It immediately reminded me of so many things from my childhood. I had completely forgotten it. I’m not even sure how to very accurately convey it with the proper words on just how wondrous the world looks. It’s like being on the edge of your seat and like you are about to explore something new. I’m just so glad and full of appreciation that this is the world that I live in. VINEETO: This is indeed marvellous. Richard used to call it “‘the cutting edge of reality’ back in the days when there was an ‘I’ inhabiting this body”, in order to convey the immediacy of experiencing –
CHRONO: I’ve had the longest streak of feeling good since perhaps ever. I’ve only dropped down to feeling bad may be a few times but even when I did, it wasn’t quite the same as before. Like it doesn’t quite have the hold it does as before. I’m not wilfully ignoring the exit sign from it. The states of suffering that I felt prior felt like I would never get out of it. VINEETO: I see you are really getting the hang of it. When you are naïve, your previous ‘problems’ can no longer present themselves as serious as before and that makes it also so much easier to either decline them right away or find the triggers no longer as gripping and convincing as before. When it gets to the stage where you can’t even take yourself as serious as before then the fun takes over and life becomes truly an exquisite adventure. CHRONO: It feels more like I am now standing a little more outside that edifice of doubt. When I visited my parents again with all of this in mind, they no longer had the same effect on me. It became clear that they were the first authority from which the edifice of authority was built on. I could clearly see how they were operating and that they were operating the same way. Trying to instil the same fears in me, but this time it seemed just flat out silly. I knew these fears were of no substance. What a relief! This is like a breakthrough for me. VINEETO: While parents were the first authority for you – as for most children – it’s helpful to keep in mind that the situation was the same for your parents, and for their parents, and so on. This means that nobody is to blame for the mess one finds oneself in, and by taking the blame away, doubt will disappear as well because you realize that nobody is the ultimate authority – no one or no thing is in charge of the universe ... that there is no ‘Ultimate Authority’. It might be a shock at the start but realizing this fact is incredibly liberating. It puts you in charge of your own life … and your freedom (and your happiness and harmlessness) is in your hands alone. CHRONO: So to continue from where I left off, I can now
see an alternative path from my usual modus operandi of how I interact with my partner and with others. A highlight
being an alternative path from the road of sexual desire. A soft intimacy which was blocked due to the belief that I
will be alone if I did not continue down the path placed before me by Humanity. A path supported with the belief in a
‘man’ and how that identity should be with his partner (a ‘woman’) and to society. Now it’s starting to
become easier. I had the thoughts after my pure intent experience before like there’s ‘no way that this is
possible’. Now it seems possible! VINEETO: You will find, when you dare to continue to live it more and more, that both naiveté and intimacy are contagious and enticing for those sensitive to it. The authority you used to believe in and obey is the same authority which set the rules for “the belief in a ‘man’ and how that identity should be with his partner (a ‘woman’) and to society”. This authority no longer has the full credibility now as it used to have for you, and with pure intent guiding you, you can explore in which way a male and a female human being can most beneficially interact with each other in a win-win interaction of two fellow human beings.
CHRONO: Square one is the recognition of how ‘I’ am ‘my’ feelings and ‘my’ feelings are ‘me’. Because when you change how you feel by being a different feeling, there’s nothing to solve or think about. VINEETO: Hi Chrono, Let me insert a vital step before your “square one” – getting back to feeling good once you discover that your enjoyment and appreciation has diminished. Unless you are at least feeling good any thinking about/ investigation into your emotions will go round in circles.
CHRONO: Yet I would still feel this literal discomfort in my head. Some deep tendency makes me almost tend towards splitting myself and trying to “work” on ‘myself’ this way. (…) VINEETO: Your “literal discomfort” and “deep tendency” “towards splitting myself” would be because, unless getting back to feeling good, ‘I’ am (automatically) dissociating from my feelings in order “to ‘work’ on ‘myself’ this way”. CHRONO: Be friends with myself. Be gentle with myself. This will also be reflected onto others. If I am friends with myself and gentle with myself, then I can be so with others. (…) VINEETO: Even though Richard used the word ‘gentle’ in the Audio-Taped Dialogues, Silly or Sensible–
– he did not suggest that you “be gentle with” yourself. On the contrary, in many of his correspondences he emphasises that sincerity is the key to naiveté and sincerity requires that one be ruthlessly honest with oneself.
To be friends with yourself and abandon the habit of putting yourself down for any or all feelings and cunning ways of the identity you discover is vital – pat yourself on the back and appreciate what your dared to discover and acknowledge – but the words “be gentle” indicate hesitancy, guardedness, caution, yielding and treading lightly in the process of uncovering any aspect of the human condition in yourself (just like the Buddhistic therapist in the above correspondence). CHRONO: The only way to do that was to stay with the feeling. The instinctual tendency perhaps is to do one or the other and go back and forth. Then as I tried to do neither, I started to get inklings of an answer. I see-sawed back and forth between being this feeling and then the seeing that it was ‘me’ in my entirety that was standing in the way of complete peace and harmony. This seeing has such a vast understanding and implication to it that my mind seems like it’s being turned upside down. One take away was also the seeing why it was all not so easy. Something I didn’t think perhaps I had but I have to ashamedly admit that I had been holding this entire time. Basically, I had been harboring the basic resentment of being alive this entire time. This seeing took the edge off the underlying feeling. The actualism method is epitomised by “the minimisation of both the
malicious/ sorrowful feelings (the ‘bad’ feelings) and their antidotal loving/ compassionate feelings (the ‘good’
feelings) in concert with the maximisation of the felicitous/ innocuous feelings”, the only reason “to
stay with the feeling” is when you have difficulty to comprehend “that to be
living this moment – the only moment you are ever alive – by feeling bad is to be frittering away a vital
opportunity to be fully alive …” Now that you discovered that basic resentment is the reason that your feeling bad persisted you can begin to appreciate being here –
CHRONO: So I started reading up Richard’s correspondence on
Resentment
So that is what I will try and maintain. VINEETO: For instance, murder is intellectually unacceptable, as are wars, domestic violence, child abuse and many other behaviours of feeling beings, and to intellectually accept those would be to insult/ compromise/ cripple one’s intelligence. Whereas, when one emotionally accepts that which is intellectually unacceptable then intelligence becomes apparent, is no longer being obscured by one’s feelings in the given situation. The other hint ‘Vineeto’ found very useful was to put everything on a preference basis – ‘I’ preferred to be a situation or preferred a thing to be in a particular way but if it did not happen/ be that way it didn’t matter. It made unconditional enjoyment so much easier. CHRONO: I continued the fascinated attention to the discomfort over the course of the week. Over
time I started noticing that I was feeling more and more upset with the smallest of things that people did or how
they behaved. Yesterday it went up to a crescendo of deep bitterness and encompassed everything. Every little thing
people did (even unrelated to me) felt like a coil around my being. I experienced it as I wrote in my journal above
as a “conditioning of resentment and bitterness that is coiled around naivete”. Then at the end of the day
it just automatically eased up and that same discomfort was greatly diminished. The same night I experienced an
elevated sensuousness. I was not even trying to do it, it just happened on its own. VINEETO: Ha … I wonder if the “fascinated attention to the discomfort” – in the name of practicing the actualism method – contributed to the maintaining and continuing of the discomfort, when you could instead have gone back to feeling good before enquiring into the nature/ reason of your discomfort. Something to try next time. I am pleased to hear that this period of discomfort eased up and you are able to experience “an elevated sensuousness” now, after you discovered its cause of the basic resentment to being here. You may also find the following correspondence relevant, a discovery regarding a basic seriousness which stands in the way of enjoyment and naiveté –
VINEETO: Let me insert a vital step before your “square one” – getting back to feeling good once you discover that your enjoyment and appreciation has diminished. Unless you are at least feeling good any thinking about/ investigation into your emotions will go round in circles. CHRONO: Ah! I actually did need that reminder. Sometimes I get overwhelmed. Perhaps I have a tendency to more easily give weight and importance to negative feelings than felicitous feelings. They seem to have a more urgent feeling to them and perhaps even more ‘truth’ to them. It’s like once I am feeling good, then there’s really nothing to think about. There was really no reason to feel bad. It was all a self-fulfilling prophecy. I simply had indulged in them and perhaps the underlying resentment and seriousness gives rise to an obsessive urge or tendency to do something about it. And that in turn sustains the resentment and seriousness. The way I went about it though was misguided. VINEETO: Hi Chrono, I am pleased that getting back to feeling good before any investigation worked for you. * VINEETO: – he did not suggest that you “be gentle with” yourself. On the contrary, in many of his correspondences he emphasises that sincerity is the key to naiveté and sincerity requires that one be ruthlessly honest with oneself. CHRONO: In this instance I was using the phrase “gentle with myself” to mean not telling myself off for not feeling good (which was counterproductive). I still maintain being insistent and uncompromising with myself albeit that quality was misplaced/ misdirected. VINEETO: To be friends with yourself and abandon the habit of putting yourself down for any or all feelings and cunning ways of the identity you discover is vital – pat yourself on the back and appreciate what your dared to discover and acknowledge – but the words “be gentle” indicate hesitancy, guardedness, caution, yielding and treading lightly in the process of uncovering any aspect of the human condition in yourself (just like the Buddhistic therapist in the above correspondence). CHRONO: I’d say it was because I had been going in circles feeling bad that I used the words “be gentle”. Since I hadn’t been making progress (due to not feeling good first and splitting myself instead), I thought perhaps it’s because I am just putting myself down too much. Of course all of that was not doing the actualism method and I had forgotten the vital step of getting back to feeling good first. I certainly see the ‘cunning’ part of the identity more now. VINEETO: Thank you for the clarification. Most likely you have, like most feeling beings, been brought up to put yourself down, blame yourself first when something unexpected happens and then “splitting myself instead”. It is vital to recognize such habitual reaction and decline it each time it inveigles itself again. Nothing which affective attentiveness cannot fix when replaced with a more fortuitous and fruitful habit of patting yourself on the back for noticing it each time you catch it (a habit is best replaced with something better when you want to extract yourself from a destructive habit). * VINEETO: The actualism method is epitomised by “the minimisation of both the
malicious/ sorrowful feelings (the ‘bad’ feelings) and their antidotal loving/ compassionate feelings (the ‘good’
feelings) in concert with the maximisation of the felicitous/ innocuous feelings”, the only reason “to
stay with the feeling” is when you have difficulty to comprehend “that to be
living this moment – the only moment you are ever alive – by feeling bad is to be frittering away a vital
opportunity to be fully alive …” CHRONO: Then definitely the “fascinated attention to the discomfort” – in the name of practicing the actualism method – contributed to the maintaining and continuing of the discomfort. The only thing I would say is that this is extremely persistent, so much so that if I do return to feeling good and try to look into it, I fall back into the same feeling pattern. VINEETO: Indeed! The identity can be soo tricky when wanting to sell bad feelings as something virtuous, isn’t it. Here I found an interesting snippet of conversation where Richard points out that the topic of tracking the feeling can change (without being noticed) –
* VINEETO: You may also find the following correspondence relevant, a discovery regarding a
basic seriousness which stands in the way of enjoyment and naiveté – (snipped: CHRONO: Thinking on this basic seriousness led me to another layer connected to it that perhaps I hadn’t noticed before but it makes more sense now. It is this “Need to Belong”. Much of my malice and sorrow revolves around this and could be placed under this header. For example, with my partner and with many others, it feels as if I must feel bad when they feel bad or else I am not caring. It feels like there’s something very important here. I can feel the push and pull from this in all of my interactions. The relating with others is a shared malice and sorrow. If I don’t go along with this then it feels like I will be ostracized and alone. This feels like the source of my doubt in just being happy and harmless forever and feels like it is sourced in pure sorrow and loneliness. It’s like if this pull wasn’t there, then I could just enjoy life without any effort. As it’s from this direction there’s either seriousness or in the other direction which is naiveté. Now here it really feels like that to pick naiveté fully is to be completely foolish and this feeling is very strong. The pull of seriousness has all the backing of everyone I know and have ever known. Maybe right now the only thing I can do is to keep returning to feeling good and come back to it
again. Actually I just re-read my previous post and it looks like I am going in circles. It seems that this
“debilitating doubt” and seriousness has come back full force. VINEETO: I remember ‘Vineeto’ in her first year of actualism noticed a similar pattern in her socializing – whenever ‘she’ had conversations with ‘her’ then-friends they were complaining about life and the world and looking for sympathy and confirmation. ‘Vineeto’ soon reduced and finally abandoned those ‘friendships’ because there was simply no enjoyment to be gained in their company. At times you cannot have it both ways, leaving the real world and be accepted/ applauded by its denizen. However what Kuba said in this recent post to you
CHRONO: I’ve asked myself couldn’t I just commit to feeling good forever (effortlessly)? I’m curious as to what would come up or what stands in the way. It caused another bout of discomfort, but this time bearing in mind that ‘I’ am ‘my’ feelings so that I stopped fighting myself. The awareness of it is the feeling of it. There was actually a feeling answer to this. VINEETO: Hi Chrono, What a wonderful question to ask! And what a wide-ranging and fruitfully informative investigation and experience arose out of that simple courageous question. CHRONO: It eventually turned into another resentment, but at ‘others’. ‘Others’ don’t accept me as I am so ‘I’ cannot feel good continuously. This feeling feels very angry and if left in place I can see it turning into bitterness. Resentment and bitterness because I am waiting for ‘others’ to give me permission to feel good by accepting me. It’s the immediate objection that comes up. But are ‘others’ really standing in the way of me feeling good? Can others actually change how I feel? That’s the conditioning that if I feel good then ‘others’ will beat it out of me. This then morphed into feelings of self-consciousness. Something I had not identified them as before. What stood out to me was that I was taking these feelings of self-consciousness as attentiveness or awareness itself in some way. They are the lens thru which I was looking out at everything. The lens of ‘others’ imprinted onto me so that I’d stay in line. The resentment and anger when questioned, persisted. So I stopped questioning and backed off. Then completely on its own and with no prior sign, an immediate sensuousness ensued. As if an eraser was used to wipe away that feeling that seemed to be at the center from which I operated. Like this whole suite of feelings from my chest all the way down to my navel were just wiped out. Like I had some locality before but now I did not. It was like suddenly being brought “forward” and I noticed that I’m just here stunningly alive. An interesting thing I noted in this rather felicitous moment was in the nature of the way it happened. It happened in a way I could never imagine or could do it. I wish it lasted longer though. It’s always like this, somehow I seem to get myself to this point of experiencing this and then afterwards maybe I try too hard and I can’t get back to it. VINEETO: It is nevertheless fortunate and wonderful that it happened and when you allow it, it will happen again and again. ‘Vineeto’ often had such excellence experiences or PCEs following a insightful break-through of one of ‘her’ beliefs or attitude or similar life-changing insights. CHRONO: The feelings then returned but the resentment then had morphed from being pointed towards others to me. Anger that I went along with others. There’s also this “realization” in the periphery of disbelief that then I would have to face the fact that life is indeed easy and that’s an entirely new direction. I had been listening to ‘others’ so gullibly and dutifully self-castigated. This feeling has now eased off and there’s a sort of “simmering” happening. If this is the case what vested interested is there in harbouring these feelings? Or why would I want to be these feelings? VINEETO: Ha, that’s a good one, realising that doing it the hard way was a waste of time, and who would be willing to abandon the hard work of years of one’s life just because something easier and more fun came along! I am confident that this won’t stop you, though it’s still “simmering” … CHRONO: Another very interesting thing that I’ve noted in my reflection is how I
had not been taking into account of what it means to be harmless. In this correspondence VINEETO: Indeed, this is an excellent find. This doctrine of “‘put others before oneself’ type” is all pervasive, and a harmful flow-on effect from all the unliveable religious teachings – be it the Eastern ‘ahimsa’/ pacifism or the Christian “turn the other cheek”. It is truly a dogma to be rid of as soon as possible. Interestingly enough, it was the last of the pillars of enlightenment which Richard dismantled on his journey to an actual freedom –
CHRONO: Continuing on from my reflection, the initial feeling of this ‘put others before oneself’ type of operating seems to be guilt. I experienced it first as an anxiety and a ‘scan’ of how others view me. I sometimes experience a glimpse of what’s underneath it. This fits in with harmlessness and how I want others to accept me before I will feel good continuously. My experience is that it’s actually very easy to feel good once this is out of the picture. This feeling of guilt and anxiety I experience creates a helplessness (victim). By being this victim, I am wanting the other to antidotally respond with loving or compassionate feelings. With that, I will feel accepted and thus let myself feel good. To contemplate feeling good forever without the permission of ‘others’ feels callous. Another interesting related aspect that I’ve noted is that when you’re in love, you automatically put the other before yourself. It’s the nature of love so now it makes sense why it’s advocated by the enlightened people. VINEETO: Hi Chrono, This is an excellent reporting of the various aspects of ‘me’ standing in the way of feeling good. Yesterday I watched the ‘Virtual Freedom’ video again and Peter reminded me of something I had almost forgotten – how hard it was at first to allow himself to be happy and harmless. What was one of the two main objections that he would have to go against the whole thrust of human ‘wisdom’, that one is not allowed to be happy. I suspect at least part of your “feeling of guilt and anxiety” is arising out of that overall stipulation to not fall ‘out of line’, generated by everyone’s vibes and psychic currents. Hence your reaction so far has been to dutifully feel “guilt and anxiety” and the various consequential feelings, if you aim for “feeling good forever without the permission”. Fortunately, even though it sometimes feels like an unsurmountable barrier, the facts are that 1. you can change yourself unilaterally (and only pay lip service when necessary) – in other words, you neither need permission nor allies in this game how happy and harmless can I feel, and 2. the affective felicitous and innocuous vibes are contagious (just like the malicious and sorrowful vibes are), and they are more contagious the more you confidently allow yourself to be that way. CHRONO: Once I saw that all it was, was guilt, I had an experience and seeing of what’s underneath. Underneath the guilt and resentment is unbridled aggression. I wrote above about how I feel angry at others for not accepting me and in turn to feel good. But this made me more aware of the anger underneath in myself. I usually am considered a ‘chill guy’ but all of that anger and aggression is right there. I started thinking up all of the times that I do feel it and it’s actually quite a bit. It’s all under the guise of “Righteous” anger or indignation. Anger that’s acceptable by society. You can be angry when something unfair happens. One example that people may overlook but surely experience is when you are driving. There are many incidents of road rage that happen, but often people only see those people as out of control and not themselves as well. I also get angry at other drivers (e.g. if someone is going very slow). This is all considered okay because the other driver choosing to go slow or doing whatever is “not okay” (unacceptable). Often driving in traffic, you can see these aspects of yourself. This aggression felt like a huge beast waiting inside a cave. It’s only the fear of the ‘many’ which keeps it in check. Weirdly, when someone does end up acting out their aggression, it’s an unmentioned expectation that they feel guilty about it. So I must be pre-emptively feeling it so that it never happens. But as I looked around, this same beast was in everyone. It was no different. This burden was being carried by everyone. VINEETO: Indeed, wanting to be happy when everyone else prefers to follow the dictum to be sad or bad is not the only reason for feeling guilty. And as you found out, blaming others for feeling angry or not liked is pointless and only aggravates feeling bad. Everyone is inflicted by the same instinctual passions, hence no need to feel either guilty or resentful. The very fact that you have the sincere intent to do something about your aggression, and know a way to do that effectively, is already a eminent position to appreciate. Here is how feeling being ‘Vineeto’ described ‘her’ own discoveries –
CHRONO: There were only superficial differences and no one was special. Not even a ‘chill guy’ like me . I feel this aggression more intensely when I think about the ‘unfairness’ in the world. When I watch the news, it does not make sense and I just play out a scenario in my head of how whoever I think is responsible (usually the “upper” class) gets punished severely. It’s truly a never-ending cycle. But now I experienced myself as responsible as well. Seeing all this makes it easier to sift through the facts as that pull towards how I should think or approach life based on if it feels ‘Right’ or ‘Wrong’ has greatly lessened. But even further to that, my intent to feel good come what may now can stand on its own. Because when I saw that others were also keeping at bay this same unbridled aggression, it became more clear that no one actually knows what they are doing. Previously I wrote that others seem to know something that I don’t. Now there’s no reason to go along with that feeling as it seems silly. It’s very fascinating how all of these feelings come together and feed each other. Many of them also seem to be weaker now. Especially the negative ones that I was feeling with my partner where I felt like I had to be anxiously grasping. I’m able to allow her more to be in her own space and I meet her from where I am if that makes any sense. VINEETO: It is really amazing how dealing with one issue, anger, and aiming to be harmless, has such beneficial results on being able to play together rather than the automatic hide, defence and attack-mode. It is quite magically and remarkably enjoyable and buoyant. CHRONO: I’m reflecting on time now as I inevitably always
come back to this and it seems very related to feeling good. The words that ‘this moment is the only moment of
being alive’ seem to really stand out more. There’s an automatic sensuousness and feeling good that accompanies
this seeing. It’s like how could I forget that this is my only moment of being alive?! Sometimes when I see it, it’s
like waking up from a dream from everything prior. Everything prior doesn’t exist. There’s a great significance
to this occurrence. Maybe I can rephrase my question then to ‘how can I fully enjoy and appreciate this moment of
being alive forever?’ . I think ‘oh yes everyone knows this’, but I am seeing more nowadays that everyone
does not see that this is the only moment of being alive. When I tell my partner or friends something like ‘isn’t
it interesting that it’s always this moment?’, they often almost dismiss it and not realize the full import of
it. Just the other day I was noticing this moment more and more and ‘pushed the envelope’ a little further. It’s
so wonderful that this is the only moment of being alive, so precious, that I simply don’t know how to describe it.
I had to take a step back from this further seeing after that because I had tears in my eyes. What would take me to
‘push the envelope’ more? VINEETO: Ha, and once you are back to feeling good and understood more of which dominant feeling was the trigger and how you tick, then there is room for sensuousness and remembering to appreciate this moment of being alive … and to be like that forever no longer seems impossible. What would it take to ‘push the envelope’ more? – more of the same, looking sincerely at the obstacles and then enjoy more and appreciate more being alive, in this only moment you can experience, now. CHRONO: Ah! Something else I was reflecting about and I forgot
to write down. To be happy and harmless seems to be related to caring. This in turn is related to vibes and psychic
currents. Stay tuned! VINEETO: It’s wonderful to hear you say this. This sentence from Richard from many years ago may sound familiar to you –
CHRONO: Thanks for your reply and pointers Vineeto! VINEETO: Yesterday I watched the ‘Virtual Freedom’ video again and Peter reminded me of something I had almost forgotten – how hard it was at first to allow himself to be happy and harmless. What was one of the two main objections that he would have to go against the whole thrust of human ‘wisdom’, that one is not allowed to be happy. CHRONO: I just watched this video for the first time right now and my experience very much matches with what Peter is saying. Something Richard said also gave me some confidence, which is that (paraphrasing) suggestion that it is intelligence which makes it safe to look inside at the instinctual passions and then chooses the felicitous feelings with the pure intent to live it. VINEETO: Hi Chrono, I am pleased you found some things which match your experience in Peter’s video. Yes,
intelligence certainly makes is fairly safe to experience one’s own strong feelings, especially when coupled with
the sincere/ pure intent to become “happy and harmless”, “blithesome and benign”,
“carefree and considerate”, “gay and benevolent”, as Richard laid it out in detail in the
above copied correspondence to No. 13, 21 May 2009 You will have observed that the less you object to/ fight/ reject the (unwanted) feelings you experience and subsequently channel them into felicitous feelings, the better and cleaner your intelligence can operate, freed from a lot of confusing, intoxicating debris of the ‘good’ and ‘bad’ feelings. To put it another way, you can loosen the controls on keeping unpleasant feelings under wrap (without expressing or suppressing) and let some more naiveté slip out, which is a safe way to slowly, almost surreptitiously, to escape the ‘common call to unhappiness’. The less you have to hide, from yourself and others, the more playful you can be. CHRONO: I’d say it’s a counter to the doubtful vibes and currents which suggest that I will go out of control or go crazy if I don’t go along with the herd. It highlights this sort of confusion deep inside of what I am. There’s an intelligence operating despite the instinctual passions. VINEETO: There is indeed an intelligence operating, which will eventually reveal that all those dire predictions (go out of control or go crazy for instance) are just bluff of your own ‘being’ intending to keep you enthralled. It’s your own home-made fear which makes them appear so powerful. Think about it – you can clothe yourself, feed yourself, hold down a job to earn a livelihood … and can do a lot of other things. And the universe is keeping you alive by doing the breathing and digesting and sleeping etc for you. Just contemplate on it all when you are feeling good – it is simply marvellous. * VINEETO: 1 you can change yourself unilaterally (and only pay lip service when necessary) – in other words, you neither need permission nor allies in this game how happy and harmless can I feel CHRONO: As I reflect on this being unilateral, I realize that there’s a certain dare in trying to be happy and harmless. I REALLY want to be happy and harmless forever, but doing so goes against the fold and invokes a great fear. This gives rise to weirdly wanting to tell someone about what I am trying to do instead of just choosing to feel good without hoping for their approval. VINEETO: You just did and have my full approval. :) * VINEETO: Here is how feeling being ‘Vineeto’ described ‘her’ own discoveries – (snip quote re: commitment to eliminate my own aggression) CHRONO: When I reflect on this, I feel like I’ll be ridiculed for being felicitous and innocuous. But the difference this time unlike before is that I see that others don’t actually know something that I don’t (by their choosing to be malicious and sorrowful). This I think definitely comes from the ‘don’t fall out of line’ vibes and currents. VINEETO: Most of what you feel others would be thinking and feeling is what you feel about “being felicitous and innocuous”. Most people are so busy with their own lives that they hardly take any notice of what you do, let alone how you feel. And the more you own your own fear (as a human being inflicted by no fault of your own with instinctual passions) the more you become autonomous, affectively independent of what you feel others would want you to be. That’s when life becomes fun. CHRONO: The popular wisdom is that it’s ‘good’ and a caring thing to do to suffer along with another (or to feel compassionate). So is being happy and harmless when someone else suffers uncaring? There was one point a long time ago where I had a continuous bout of feeling good. One of my friends was feeling bad about something and I had chosen to feel good despite that. They accused me of being disconnected from reality. This actually shocked me and the memory still stays with me. It’s only now I am returning to re-evaluate this. Even now I wonder if perhaps I was being callous. Maybe I wasn’t being harmless in some way. I had given her whatever advice I thought was sensible at the time (while feeling good), but perhaps what she wanted was for me to feel bad along with her. I realize that this is what is considered caring in the real world. VINEETO: I can understand that. The only thing you can do is check out if you were indeed callous in that situation, perhaps by trying to avoid feeling a ‘good’ feeling, for instance, or hiding a ‘bad’ feeling. If that was not the case and you were genuinely benevolent and harmless then you are not responsible for fulfilling the other’s expectations for your affective sympathy (i.e. feel bad because she felt bad).
CHRONO: So I ask what would be actually caring? VINEETO: The simplest way of putting it is this way –
For a feeling being there will always be an affective aspect in their caring. The closest you can get to actual caring is having the intent to be benevolent and benign, i.e. wishing the best for your fellow human being (as well as yourself) and doing whatever is necessary in the situation to help bringing this about. Here is what Vineeto had meant by “a caring as close to an actual caring as an identity can muster” –
And here is a detailed correspondence Richard had with Srinath explaining “close to an
actual caring as an identity can muster” as compared to the non-empathy in the helping profession. It’s
well worth a read – In the meantime enjoy and appreciate as much as possible and thus naively like yourself and others as fellow human beings – play together.\ * VINEETO: This sentence from Richard from many years ago may sound familiar to you –
CHRONO: Ah yes I do remember this. It’s pretty much why I keep coming back to it being this moment of being alive. I found it difficult to ‘go all the way’ or ‘stick with the seeing’ since then. There’s this ‘mountain of fear’ that didn’t seem to be there at that time. VINEETO: Mmh, that “mountain of fear” possibly has to do with you fighting the feeling and thus adding affective energy to it. See if you can loosen the control a bit, allowing the fear to just be there and you will notice how it diminishes simply by not objecting to it. From there is only a hop and a jump to feeling ok/feeling good, and then you can explore what it is made of. It’s the automatic habit of rejection which makes it appear like a mountain. Here is ‘Vineeto’s’ account of such an experience –
CHRONO: With all that said, I am right now able to choose
feeling good more easily. To go with the dare with my REALLY wanting to be happy and harmless. I’ll try this
sticking with the seeing that it is this moment again. VINEETO: This is excellent. As Richard says, “courage is sourced in the thrilling part of fear, the daring to proceed
will intensify of its own accord”
CHRONO: Continuing on from
my reflection, the initial feeling of this ‘put others before oneself’ type of operating seems to be guilt. I
experienced it first as an anxiety and a ‘scan’ of how others view me. I sometimes experience a glimpse of what’s
underneath it. This fits in with harmlessness and how I want others to accept me before I will feel good
continuously. My experience is that it’s actually very easy to feel good once this is out of the picture. This
feeling of guilt and anxiety I experience creates a helplessness (victim). By being this victim, I am wanting the
other to antidotally respond with loving or compassionate feelings. With that, I will feel accepted and thus let
myself feel good. To contemplate feeling good forever without the permission of ‘others’ feels callous. Another
interesting related aspect that I’ve noted is that when you’re in love, you automatically put the other before
yourself. It’s the nature of love so now it makes sense why it’s advocated by the enlightened people. VINEETO: Hi Chrono, I am coming back to your reflections from 21 June 2025 because I just reread Richard’s article 20 from his Journal which addresses more comprehensively the origin of the guilt you feel/felt in regards to the imperative “‘put others before oneself’ type”. When you understand what Richard is saying here, the whole system of this communal imperative can come crashing down –
There is more in this correspondence about ‘peasant mentality’ with Claudiu which lies at
the heart of your guilt –
VINEETO: Most of what you feel others would be thinking and feeling is what you feel about “being felicitous and innocuous”. (…) CHRONO: This is actually a point I’ve glossed over but now it’s obvious. How I view how others feel about being happy and harmless may actually be what I feel. They could be one and the same. There’s an illusion of uniqueness. Now I can come to a more clear choice. VINEETO: Hi Chrono, It makes finding out what is affectively happening so much easier when one can do away with any projection / automorphism which at first happens almost automatically. Only then one can get on with the job at hand, changing oneself, the only person one can actually change. * VINEETO: Mmh, that “mountain of fear” possibly has to do with you fighting the feeling and thus adding affective energy to it. See if you can loosen the control a bit, allowing the fear to just be there and you will notice how it diminishes simply by not objecting to it. From there is only a hop and a jump to feeling ok/ feeling good, and then you can explore what it is made of. It’s the automatic habit of rejection which makes it appear like a mountain. CHRONO: Yes I think that perhaps is what it is. I allowed myself to feel it and it seemed overwhelming. But it seems I had been afraid of being afraid. Just feeling it gets rid of that sitting on a ‘mountain of fear’ sensation. I allowed it to first wander where it would on its own, it veered towards cynicism and seriousness. An expectation of the worst. But what you wrote in the following quote helped me:
I had not approached it like that before. I wouldn’t doubt its actuality because it felt so true. So I had inadvertently been taking this ‘mountain of fear’ as truth. So the opposite thing I had been trying to do was allowing the fear to be there but I felt like I had to do something about it. So that would also feed it and it would mount in intensity. In the middle is a strange belief of something like ‘if I am feeling it, then that is what it is’. The feeling has the final say in the matter. But with this approach, I do not have to be afraid of the fear. I think the loosening the controls a bit is what I need to do right now. VINEETO: Ha, yes, all strong feelings are generally perceived as “truths” – that’s the very nature of feelings. So in order to find out what is really going on you first need to take a step back (=get back to feeling good) before you can contemplate what’s happening … or when the feeling is too strong, then sit with the feeling, neither repressing or expressing it until the third alternative hoves into view. In case of fear that may be the thrill to discover what’s behind it all.
Peter created a schematic in the Actual Freedom Library
CHRONO: I applied this the week prior when my partner and I had a disagreement of sorts. Basically she was upset that I had not drove her home in the morning. I woke up and asked her (admittedly reluctantly) if she wanted me to drive her but I was too hesitant in just getting up and taking her due to my tiredness. Afterwards when I asked her if something was wrong she would say no (all the while the vibe was that something was wrong). After a few days she finally explained it after some prompting. There was the usual fear within me of where even with these disagreements I start to feel ‘oh so this is the end of the relationship’. She wanted me to reciprocate or do something for her in some way to show her that I am sorry (despite me already apologizing). I immediately thought that may be what she wanted was for me to suffer as well. But I declined going down that road. I asked for her part to communicate if she was feeling less than good and say if she doesn’t feel like talking about it at the time. She first said that she felt a little better just expressing her upset. Then after some eating, she was able to reason out that I had already helped her with her move to her new apartment and that she couldn’t ask for more. Throughout this I had the temptation to feel bad along with her because it seemed callous otherwise. I did end up falling into a bout of it but I was able to clearly see its workings while it was happening. It was rather insightful when I told her that I felt like I needed to suffer and she responded with ‘I’m not sure what I can do about that’. Some part of me feels that to suffer for another is caring. Another way that this ‘put others before oneself’ manifests. It’s a deceitful tactic to being more self-absorbed. Actually I am finding that relationship itself or perhaps this “connection” with another person hinges on this way of operating. Because when I contemplate feeling good come what may in this kind of scenario, a fear of the end of the relationship comes up. But I continually find that my partner much more enjoys when I feel good. VINEETO: A fascinating process – especially as you described that “throughout this I had the temptation to feel bad along with her because it seemed callous otherwise”. You could see that “relationship itself or perhaps this “connection” with another person hinges on this way of operating”. The alternative to “relationship” and “connection” with their unwritten implicit implications is being as sincere and naïve as you can allow yourself to be. As Richard describes it in a long correspondence with Martin –
The whole correspondence is a fount of information on the third alternative to suffering together and callousness. * VINEETO: When you understand what Richard is saying here, the whole system of this communal imperative can come crashing down – CHRONO: I have been observing the past couple of weeks how all-encompassing this way of being is. It’s evident in many interactions (and even while being on my own) with many supporting beliefs around it. I re-read this article after many years now and I can see it more in a comprehensive way that I could not before. Before it seemed only intellectual. The part that sticks out for me is where Richard asks “Has anyone fully realised that the community does not exist for the good of the individual?”. I can see the chastising in myself. I can see the coercion and shaming. Also I am wondering if ‘the whole’ and ‘the other’ are the same. If my identity is a product of all of this, then ‘the other’ to whom I am trying to relate to must be the same? It seems to scale from ‘the whole’ to ‘the other’. VINEETO: When you can recognize the ‘other’ as a fellow human being, afflicted with the same genetic and social programming then you can also see that ‘the whole’ is made up of many other fellow human beings. CHRONO: Anyways, I have a recurring experience these past few days of an increased autonomy. It is completely my choice how I feel and I can feel good no matter what anyone says. It does not matter what anyone says either. These feelings of reproach in regards to this are nothing but paper tigers. The seeing is that nobody really knows what they are doing. I am wondering though, is feeling happy and harmless unconditionally the best thing that I can do for others and myself? VINEETO: Yes, being happy and harmless is the best you can do for yourself and for others … apart from becoming actually free. CHRONO: Also perhaps relatedly I am noting that underneath this is a deep feeling of angst that comes more and more to the fore. Sometimes experienced as meaninglessness and sometimes as agitation. It feels like the fabric of my reality and is not of my choosing. VINEETO: Indeed fear is at the core of your ‘being’ – ‘I’ am fear and fear is ‘me’. These quotes might shed some light on it –
And:
CHRONO: There’s more and more to read that comes up and seems
relevant to what I am feeling. I may need to just take a few days off to read intently . I have now been reading
the correspondence on caring
VINEETO: Remember, or better rememorate and presentiate, your PCE and the difference will instantly become clear to you. The affective feelings of “pity, sympathy, empathy, compassion and so on” create a bond, whereas benevolence does not. (see Richard, Audio-Taped Dialogues, Compassion Perpetuates Sorrow CHRONO: I am trying to see what this vast gulf is. I see after all of the above reflection that caring also includes myself (which is a huge step for me). But I am finding a bit of conflict between a near actual caring being an acutely empathic caring and feeling good come what may. How can it be both? VINEETO: Caring about yourself, i.e. becoming a friend to yourself, is indeed important, else how can you genuinely care for another fellow human being. In the correspondence with Srinath Richard first explains the difference between empathetic caring, “vicariously sharing another person’s feeling”, and the non-empathic caring, i.e. “warmth and understanding” drawn from impressions based upon verbal and visual cues alone, promulgated by Assist. Prof. Jamil Zaki for care-professionals to prevent empathy burnout. Richard then makes it clear that neither alternative is salubrious and facilitates to end suffering forever. Nowhere could I find the term “acutely empathetic caring” so let me know where you got it from. It is certainly in conflict with a near-actual-caring or feeling good come what may. [Editor’s note: Correction: Richard likened “acutely empathetic caring” to near-actual-caring. Viz.:
end editor’s note]. Regarding near actual caring –
In other words, it only occurs during an excellence experience or an ongoing EE (being out-from-control). Maybe you need to revisit that correspondence because it has packed a lot of information in it. CHRONO: Or also to put another way, how can I emotionally accept
the suffering of humanity (I am assuming this is what is meant in the ‘how can I emotionally accept that which is
intellectually unacceptable?’)? Or am I mis-understanding something? Perhaps I am taking it out of context. VINEETO: Emotionally accepting means to give up resenting that it’s happening or blaming others for it happening when/ if you can acknowledge that everyone (of no fault of their own) is inflicted with the same instinctual passions as you are.
VINEETO: Nowhere could I find the term “acutely empathetic caring” so let me know where you got it from. It is certainly in conflict with a near-actual-caring or feeling good come what may. CHRONO: I am still reading over the reply and correspondence, but this is what I find in that correspondence. He says “acutely-empathic caring” rather than acutely-empathetic caring. Maybe I am misunderstanding something. Relevant quote:
VINEETO: Hi Chrono, Thank you very much for helping me find the quote. I omitted the hyphen between “acutely” and “empathic” in the search command and therefore could not find it. I should have persisted because the world “acutely” is only used twice on that page. You did not misunderstand. What I said above in my last message was incorrect. Being “acutely-empathic caring” is not in conflict with “near-actual-caring”, in fact Richard characterised them as equivalent. CHRONO: EDIT: Actually he explains it in the same correspondence :
CHRONO: EDIT 2: I’m still trying to wrap my head around this entirely. VINEETO: Perhaps if I put it this way – to be able to be “acutely-empathic caring” one is necessarily aware of and sensitive to (not closed off from) one’s own and other people’s feelings. In the below quote Richard used the word “acutely“ in a related context –
When this “acutely-empathic caring” is combined with the naïve/ pure intent to bring an end to all the suffering and mayhem within the human condition (which had certainly been the case for ‘Richard’ in the period he described in his above correspondence, then this deeply felt empathic caring results in action. Viz.:
Perhaps this information may also be explanatory –
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