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Peter’s Correspondence on Mailing List C Correspondent No 27
RESPONDENT: Peter, Peter Guru eater, PETER: Yes indeed, and it is a thing I make no apologies for. Millions, if not billions, have assiduously practiced their methods, sat in their presence, and gave their lives in loving gratitude and humiliation for nil result – except for a tiny few who get ‘it’ and then get to become the ones to whom others then practice their methods, sit in their presence, and give their lives in gratitude and humiliation ... This insanity has gone on unquestioned since unquestioning obedience in the name of ‘trust’ and ‘faith’ is the inherent price one pays when joining the various groups involved. But to merely be a Guru-eater would be a poor and useless waste of time. But to write of a third alternative – an actual down-to-earth freedom as opposed to a spirit-ual other-worldly freedom is a delight. Who knows, there well might be another Peter or Vineeto who is finding that the traditional spiritual path is not ‘delivering the goods’ for them. RESPONDENT: here is a suggestion from someone who is very bored with your combination of ignorance and arrogance and the long boring letters that I have to delete. Go to One.List.com a very nice site where you can start your own list. PETER: Speaking personally, I often found in life that if I became very bored with something, was very fearful of something, or was very offended by something, it was the very next thing in life I needed to investigate, tackle, explore, find out about – in order to rid myself of these very emotions such that I became happy again. Of course, this may not be the case with you, you may well be happy with your life and your chosen path. And yes, we do have our own mailing list, anyone can get to it from our web-site. I’m just here fishing for any other intrepid pioneers who may be dissatisfied with the results obtained on the spirit-ual path, and are ready and willing to explore and investigate the Human Condition a little deeper. To maybe adventurous enough to try something new rather than the ancient Truths of Eastern mysticism. RESPONDENT: No 27 who is deeply enslaved in the love of that ignorant self serving Rolls-Royce driving Guru Osho, I wallow in the humiliation of gratitude for all that his graceful presence has done for me and my brothers and sisters in love of for him. PETER: ‘Ignorant self serving Rolls-Royce driving Guru Osho’ are certainly not my words, if that is what you are implying. To attribute them to me is but a cheap shot that misses its mark completely. You seem to be putting words into my mouth and then become offended by what you then claim I said. This tactic is the cause of so much conflict, abuse and mis-understanding in the world, used equally by the peace lovers as it is by the war-mongers. We humans love to fight, and if not much is happening and we are bored, we invent something that we feel someone is doing or thinking or saying, simply to get offended. Yet, when I state the fact that humans are born with the instincts of fear and aggression everyone says ... ‘I’m not!’ Remember Monty Python’s ‘Life of Brian’ when Brian says ‘you’re all individuals’, and one guy pipes up... ‘I’m not!’ RESPONDENT: If you look carefully you will see that this list comes from a site called Friends of Osho. That doesn’t mean that others are not welcome, but at least for me enough is enough... PETER: So it’s not that I am not welcome, but not by you. Fair enough. I’m sure that what I am saying, and the fact that I am saying it, is not welcome by most on the list. The facts I present are not at all palatable by any who pursue the spiritual path. I am indeed spoiling everyone’s game and calling the bluff of the Gurus, I am amazed I have not been censored off the list but until then, or until I stop, I’ll keep writing. RESPONDENT: I would rather read No 14’s and No 4’s cat fights. At least they have a sense of humour. PETER: I went back through some archives the other day and the only sense of humour readily apparent was people sending in jokes by others. Apart from that I found some who were serious in their spiritual beliefs, a lot of quotes from many Masters and pundits, some cat-fights and a bit of social stuff. And I come along, an ex-sannyasin, willing and able to challenge the teachings, encouraging a lively discussion about life, the universe and what it is to be a human being and the standard response is – you’re too serious! Oh well, if you find all this discussion too serious and boring – fair enough. It’s just that, as Mary Poppins sang in the ‘Sound of Music’ ...
... which are: life, the universe, and being a human being ... ... ... Accompanied, obviously, by the rhythm of clicking delete buttons. RESPONDENT: Please consider this to be a polite letter. PETER: Please consider this to be a polite reply. I’ll try to be polite, more sensitive, not so serious, less arrogant, more grateful, briefer, more humble, less verbose, more sensitive, less ignorant, more loving, less boring, more concise, ... ... Yeah Gads, I’ll end up being normal (or spiritual) again if I took everybody’s advice.
PETER: Hi, so, we continue on about humour. RESPONDENT: Dear Peter-Peter Guru eater. The fact that you can’t find any humour (except for the jokes) in the list dedicated to OUR GLORIOUS LEADER OSHO (everybody bow and scrape) simply shows that you are lacking a funny bone. My mailing to you and my saying that I gratefully grovel at the feet of that phoney Rolls-Royce driving, etc. was not meant to put words in your mouth... heaven forbid there are too many there already... it was a JOKE... although admittedly a loving one... PETER: I definitely did mis-interpret you when you said –
Humour is so often the product of a particular social conditioning, and what is sarcasm to one culture is self-effacing nonsense to another, pathos to a third and liable to get one a punch in the nose to yet another. Good that we are both enjoying this banter and having fun ... hey. RESPONDENT: I’m sorry that your spiritual search hasn’t ‘delivered’ the good yet, but don’t give up. It is so easy to join the ranks of the embittered and claim that to be the TRUTH even to try to be their standard bearer. And as everybody knows, misery loves company. Maybe you should take a weekend off and read Mein Kampf or some other inspirational literature. PETER: Obviously you have not read much of what I have written or you have completely missed the point. The only thing that the spiritual search can ‘deliver’ (apart from the obligatory suffering on the path) is Enlightenment for the very, very few. As soon as it dawned on me that to be Enlightened is a massive state of delusion and self-aggrandizement such that one gets to Realize one is God. And the reason I could not see the facts was that I was blinded by love. I was further blinded to seeing that the direct and inevitable result of the practice of worshipping men (or women) as Gods is the formation of Religions. This in turn directly results in all the religious wars, tortures, repressions, crusades, ‘cleansings’, terrorism, persecutions, etc that have and still do rage on this fair earth. And all this wrath and malice is raged in the name of whose ‘Truth is the right Truth’, whose ‘Guru, prophet, Messiah or Dead Master is the Only True Messenger! Mr. Hitler and Co. are small fry in the business of leading people to kill and be killed compared to the Holy and venerated Saviours of Western Religion and Eastern Spirituality. RESPONDENT: On the other hand it is such fun writing these letters to you. I wouldn’t want to stop quite yet. PETER: It’s good to talk of these things and see the facts that are exposed when one is willing to question the Unquestionable, the Sacred, the Holy, and the Truth that cannot be spoken or put into words. Its such fun for me writing as well. RESPONDENT: There are already a ton of books by disgruntled former disciples who interpreted their own failure of understanding to mean that the Guru was false. Shiva wrote one: The God that Failed, and there are many many more... PETER: You have me on the hop here as I haven’t read of or seen any such books apart from Shiva’s. It was regarded as blasphemous at the time it came out and, as I was a devotee then, I never read it. And I haven’t read it since given my interest lies elsewhere than mere anti-books, and being disgruntled was never my style. I do, however, understand that you would see me as a disgruntled former disciple, but I assure you that what I am saying gets an equally frosty and indignant reception from all ‘across the board’, no matter who their particular Guru is or what their particular beliefs are. RESPONDENT: But Petertje (as we say in Holland) People are still weeping with gratitude when they read Kabir, or Rumi, or Osho, or Basho, or Meister Eckhart, and on and on ... What else is there to say? PETER: You raise a good point here, when you mention ‘weeping with gratitude’. Have you ever noticed the connection between sadness and love, the bitter-sweetness of sorrow, the tug on the heart strings of a particularly sad love song? How we humans turn to believing in God in the face of depression, or death? Have you ever thought that humans need to feel gratitude because we resent being here, having to ‘fight for survival’ in the ‘real’ world. Have you ever considered that is why we seek solace in, and are grateful to, the Masters who promise us there is a better world awaiting us ‘somewhere else’? It was becoming aware of these emotions and feelings in me and questions like these that I would contemplate upon obsessively until I got an experiential answer. In other words, an answer that provided me with freedom from sad and sorrowful feelings and, even more difficult to acknowledge, my feelings of malice and aggression. Initially, I got thoroughly sick and tired of being sad and suffering from love, and further I saw that I was inflicting my suffering and need for love on others. That was the starting point – to make becoming happy and harmless the unrelenting, unabashed ambition in my life. It is so good to be free of malice and sorrow – whatever the cost. RESPONDENT: This was my last try. Why don’t you read it twice and then sleep a night on it before you answer it. PETER: Well it’s been a few nights and I decided to leave it in the computer rather than sleep on it. (That was a joke – albeit a feeble one.)
RESPONDENT: This will be your new name, Swami Anand Deleeto. Will it be difficult to pronounce? Anand means Bliss and Deleeto means clean, wiped away. The bliss of wiping away. PETER: Hi Anand Deleeto, I see that No 27 has just freshly initiated you into the world of Sannyas. You don’t know me at all but I thought I would write to you as a fellow human being to offer you a couple of Web addresses if you want some facts about the spiritual world you are in and information on a new, non-spiritual down-to-earth Actual Freedom. I wish you well with your new life, but if you find it isn’t working, that you still have doubts,
that you still feel something is missing, I offer You will probably hear on the grapevine that we are disgruntled ex-Sannyasins with a grudge, the ‘terrible twins’, or that we didn’t ‘get it’, or that we are flogging some rival version of the Truth. That we are pretending it is ‘something new’ when it isn’t Really – the usual stuff. It’s just an offer, something to check out, if you are interested. And just a comment on No 27’s words to you after your initiation – but only if your interested, Deleeto ... RESPONDENT: This will be your new name, Swami Anand Deleeto. Will it be difficult to pronounce? Anand means Bliss and Deleeto means clean, wiped away. The bliss of wiping away. PETER: Ah, yes. The feeling of leaving the ‘normal’ world behind – to take on a new name, a new identity and a new role – the spiritual seeker – and to join a commune of fellow seekers. The Club. RESPONDENT: It is such a bliss to silence the endless stream of words. Sometimes one has to do it again and again because the words keep coming. The words are so alluring, perhaps I am missing something, one thinks. So one stops a bit and looks and listens, but after a while one sees that it is only a repetition. PETER: Ah, Anand Deleeto. I see here that Sw. No 27 is alluding to silencing the ‘endless stream of words’ from the actual world, from this very computer. He is advising you that it is boring repetition, and not to get trapped in it. But I guess if you bother to wade through the words you will make your own evaluation. I just like it that there is now an alternative to the ‘Tried and True’ spiritual path. I would also point out that the Tried and True is the ‘Tried and Failed’ in that it has been persuade by millions, if billions of people for millennia with only .0001% achieving Enlightenment and the countless religious wars, cleansings, perversions persecutions, tortures and repressions are the inevitable result of the whole spiritual – i.e. spirit-based – belief system. RESPONDENT: The mind can only endlessly repeat thousand year old arguments. There is nothing new under the sun. It is all a futile exercise like moving furniture around in an empty room. PETER: Anand Deleeto, here he is obviously referring to the Ancient texts and myths. Indeed within the spiritual world there is nothing new under the sun. Rajneesh himself talked endlessly about all sorts of Masters and all sorts of other religions and teachings and was a master at telling old myths, stories and legends What I am talking of is outside of the spirit-ual world. You see, I am an atheist – I live in the actual world where Good Spirits and Evil Spirits, Gods or Demons simply do not exist. They are but a collective fantasy of the psychic world. These Spirits or ‘energies’ – all generated in the psyche by a fear ridden ‘I’ do not actually exist. So, No 27 has told you, there can be nothing new under the sun and that this is the best we human beings can expect. To be born into a world where everyone is fighting and squabbling and you end up doing it yourself because ‘this is the way it is’. And there is a ‘reward’ for our suffering ... we simply turn away, go inside and imagine there is a ‘somewhere’ better or a ‘someone’ who is looking after me. Surely there has got to be something better under the sun, and there is. An actual freedom from sorrow and malice is now available if you are interested. RESPONDENT: Slowly, slowly one gains courage. Be brave, Anand Deleeto, trust your intuition. It was not there before, it is not there now. Dare to wipe away and enjoy the bliss. PETER: On the spiritual path, Deleeto, you will be admonished to leave your mind at the door, surrender your will, and trust your feelings. You will be encouraged to sit silently and go within to encourage a stilling of personal thoughts in order to begin to feel Bliss and Oneness. In short, you will give full reign to your feelings and emotions. ‘You’ who you feel you are will become grander and grander, bigger and bigger, and if you really work hard at it, one day – POP! ... you will realize that you are GOD! So if you trust your intuition, trust your feelings – you are but doing a wonderful job in keeping your ‘self’ in existence – from ‘self’ to ‘Self’. For me, I knew my ‘self’ was the problem and eventually saw that to blow it up in self-aggrandizement was to be going 180 degrees in the wrong direction. But this is just what I have found. You will obviously make your own observations and judgements as to what you do with your life-time on earth. It has been nice to drop you a line (... or a post, as it is these days), Deleeto. It was really just to give you a couple of sites to check out if you are ever interested, and have the time ... but then I got off on one of my raves again. But then again, if you are true to your name, you won’t even be reading this, but maybe someone else will, and maybe they will be intrigued. The Net is such a good thing like that. You are free to follow up anything you want to know about or deleeto anything else.
RESPONDENT: Isn’t it a gas that Peter says in his last diatribe: ‘If the posts are brief and concise we will try to respond in kind.’ Give us a break. PETER: I am well aware that many want us to ‘go away’ so they can get on with their spirit-ual ways. But your writing to me gives me a chance to say this – briefly and concisely... We humans – the homo sapiens species – are at an interesting stage of evolution. We have all been born with a primitive self and a programmed in set of survival instincts of fear, aggression, nurture and desire. This is evidenced by behavioural studies of our closest genetic group – apes and chimpanzees: similar studies in humans have been banned as un-ethical. However, simple observation of the species as a whole and oneself in particular will reveal these instinctual feelings and the resulting behaviour to be the case. The instinctual self, feelings, emotions and instincts can now be eliminated in whoever desires to make the effort. The result is to free oneself of malice and sorrow. This shift from instinct driven ‘self’-ish behaviour will eventually result in a genuine peace on earth when humans stop fighting and fearing each other. It may take centuries, but I write to let others know of this option. The time is now ripe for each of us to fix ourselves up and stop believing that the imaginary Gods and spirits will do it for us. I think I’ll have a coffee ‘break’ now –
PETER: Thanks for your note. I’m beginning to understand that no matter how abusive a message from a Sannyasin may appear to be on the surface it is always said lovingly and often what is said is not what is really meant – so I’m still here. And people still write and I’m always ‘open’ to ‘sharing’ ... So, in reply to your comments – RESPONDENT: I thought you were going to get off this list, Peter. But as long as you are here... First, there is no such thing as ancient wisdom... wisdom is neither ancient nor modern. PETER: First, to say that there is no such thing as ancient wisdom is plainly ridiculous. All of the major Religions and their systems of morals and ethics have as their roots the reported teachings of long dead Masters, Gurus, and Prophets. All of the major philosophical movements are built upon the supposed teachings of long dead wise men, pundits and philosophers. Any so-called modern wisdom is but a re-hash of the past. Have you not read any religious, spiritual or philosophical books? RESPONDENT: It is timeless and always individual ... always a discovery. PETER: Always individual? Do you mean that the feelings one gets from spiritual practices are individual? Such as in ‘my’ Truth, ‘my’ Bliss, ‘my’ space, ‘my’ way? Indeed then these feelings are individual – they go on inside people’s heads. I remember once being time-keeper for some meditations in Buddha hall and watching people meditate and wondering what was going on inside everyone’s head? Strange, to watch hundreds of people sitting isolated with their eyes closed, going inside and imagining ‘feeling connected’. There were indeed a few variations on a theme, no doubt. But the aim was the same – find that ‘blissful inner state’. That is, after all, the common aim of all ancient Eastern spirituality. RESPONDENT: What you do over and over is to make a false statement such as ‘Ancient wisdom is good old religion’ and then groove on your own misunderstanding. On the other hand you could be a Boring Again Christian yourself because you are so deaf and dogmatic... PETER: To call someone a Christian seems to be the ultimate Sannyas insult. Bit of a hangover from the Ranch days when Rajneesh berated and goaded the Christians towards the end. I wonder, will it grow to be enshrined as bad blood between two religious groups? His insults almost caused a potential Waco on the Ranch, as No. 30 pointed out. RESPONDENT: And by the way, Freedom is just freedom. When you qualify it as ‘actual’ you are comparing it with something else which according to you is not ‘actual’. So actual freedom is not freedom at all, just another concept. depending for its definition on another concept. PETER: No, actual means actual. Actual Freedom is a freedom from the Human Condition of malice and sorrow. One of the first steps is to become free of the belief in God and an after-life. To become free of the belief in good spirits and bad spirits. To break free the slavery of the Master-disciple business and being beholden to any God, Guru. To free one’s self from the insidious platitudes of Eastern spiritual Wisdom with its seductive poetical promises of Bliss and Nirvana. This is an actual freedom that is so liberating it is often hard to restrain from jigging when walking to the computer to write about it. Beholden to no-one and nothing. Free to be happy and harmless – at last. RESPONDENT: Now get off our list as you were so politely asked. Go peddle your papers somewhere else. PETER: As I’ve repeatedly said – exercise your right to delete and I’ll exercise my right to write – until the list-owner exercises his right to delete. This form of communication is so clean, so easy, so direct. What a modern marvel ...
PETER: I am curious as to what it is you are trying to do – given this is your ‘last try’? Are you trying to re-convert me perhaps, or dis-credit me, drive me away? RESPONDENT: ...First, there is no such thing as ancient wisdom... wisdom is neither ancient nor modern. PETER: First, to say that there is no such thing as ancient wisdom is plainly ridiculous. RESPONDENT: That is religion, not wisdom PETER: I don’t quite get your point. Perhaps you could give me an example to explain what it is you are saying. The Ancient Wisdom of both Western and Eastern Religions clearly advocate the belief in a Superior Being, Energy or Source and both clearly promise that there is a life after death. * PETER: All of the major Religions and their systems of morals and ethics have as their roots the reported teachings of long dead Masters, Gurus, and Prophets. RESPONDENT: So what, your crap is also based on Osho, except you don’t have the intelligence to be thankful for everything he gave you including the very language you use... PETER: I have nothing to be thankful for nor anything to be resentful of Rajneesh. What the whole experience of Sannyas gave me was a unique opportunity. The early days of the ranch years were to experience a following of a religious leader from inspiration, through isolationism and fanaticism, to the brink of martyrdom. To then see the formation of a Religion, witness the splintering into factions and now the inevitable decline, all in some 20 years is indeed serendipitous. What an extraordinary opportunity – I wouldn’t have missed it for quids! * PETER: All of the major philosophical movements are built upon the supposed teachings of long dead wise men, pundits and philosophers. Any so-called modern wisdom. RESPONDENT: ... you are confusing orthodoxy with realization PETER: Realization is about as orthodox as you can get. Everybody’s doing it. The latest versions are called ‘Awakenings’ and are a bit watered down wherein one still has a few ‘personality quirks’ remaining – like anger, jealousy, sadness, depression, rage, impatience, etc. * PETER: Have you not read any religious, spiritual or philosophical books? RESPONDENT: Certainly, I read all of them, but finally I read me... PETER: In the spiritual books the ending is always – and then I realized I was God and God was me, or some similar version. Which is what everybody finds if they search inside. Funny that – no-one finds that they are a human being, they always find they are a God. Reminds me of past lives – not too many farmers from Burringyup. RESPONDENT: It is timeless and always individual... always a discovery. PETER: Always individual? RESPONDENT: It is the discovery of ‘I am’ and thus individual... indivisible... Knowing truth means knowing there is no ‘me’ or ‘my’ PETER: I think I have read hundreds of variations on this theme from spiritual books and Gurus, but if you insist it is individual you are in good company anyway. * PETER: ... in Buddha hall and watching people meditate and wondering what was going on inside everyone’s head? RESPONDENT: You should have wondered about your own head as you still should... PETER: Indeed, I wondered about both my thinking and my feeling – both my logical imagination and my irrational intuition. Both drove me to distraction, both drove me to lash out, both plunged me to despair, both plagued me, both dominated me, both bound me in shackles. Both inhibited the ability of my brain to function sensibly and both inhibited my ability to be here, now in this ambrosial, paradisiacal actual world. * PETER: Strange, to watch hundreds of people, sitting isolated, with their eyes closed, going inside and imagining ‘feeling connected’. RESPONDENT: This projection of yours is at the heart of all your bullshit. It is you who is imagining that the others are imagining feeling contented. PETER: Are you saying you don’t have a feeling of ‘feeling connected’ when you go ‘inside’? Isn’t this the point – to feel Love or Agapé? I hardly see this as a projection. Why else does one meditate? Why else does anyone seek Union? RESPONDENT: What you do over and over is to make a false statement such as ‘Ancient wisdom is good old religion’ and then groove on your own misunderstanding. On the other hand you could be a Boring Again Christian yourself because you are so deaf and dogmatic... PETER: To call someone a Christian seems to be the ultimate Sannyas insult. RESPONDENT: I have nothing against Christians, some of my best friends are Christians...You are like a boring again Christian who just says their script over and over and never stops... because they are so convinced that they are right. PETER: Given the spiritual nature of the list I am pointing out the facts about spiritualism – that it is nothing more than Eastern Religion. Given that Religion and the belief in God has, and never will, bring peace on earth – quite the contrary – I write of a new solution to the Human dilemma. How it is now possible to rid yourself of malice and sorrow, should you so desire. What you find boring I find an extraordinary development in human history. Which is why I reply to all the objections. Maybe, just maybe, a new phrasing, a new aspect, a new fact will be the ‘crack in the door’ for anyone who is interested. * PETER: I wonder, will it grow to be enshrined as bad blood between two religious groups? RESPONDENT: I am not a member of any religious group are you? PETER: No. I would have thought that was obvious to anyone by now given the iconoclastic nature of my writing. There is, however, a loose association of those first intrepid pioneers who are interested in Actual Freedom and The Actual Freedom Trust Mailing List is gathering momentum. Richard and his companion and Vineeto and I usually lunch out once a weak to talk of life, the universe, food, coffee, computers and the like... RESPONDENT: And by the way, Freedom is just freedom. When you qualify it as ‘actual’ you are comparing it with something else which according to you is not ‘actual’. So actual freedom is not freedom at all, just another concept. depending for its definition on another concept. PETER: No, actual means actual. RESPONDENT: What does actual mean? It is just a term, a concept, part of the duality.. PETER: Not so. Actual means – ‘existing in fact as evidenced by the physical senses, in action or existence at this time, existing in act and not merely potentially or apparently’. Actual is that which is palpable, tangible, tactile, corporeal, material, and not merely passive. In comparison – real is that which, while appearing actual, is merely the affective interpretation of the actual. * PETER: Actual Freedom is a freedom from the Human Condition of malice and sorrow. One of the first steps is to become free of the belief in God and an after-life. RESPONDENT: I have no need to believe in these because I have experienced their reality... PETER: Yes, that is the aim of the spiritual path – to experience the reality of God to such an extent that one becomes God. When I was a kid people were locked away if they proclaimed themselves to be God, because there was only one God possible in the Christian monotheistic culture that I was raised in. The Eastern Religions are a bit looser with many Gods, with many priests declaring themselves as God-men. In India today there are a plethora of God-men – each street corner has a Saddhu, each temple an Awakened one and each Ashram has their own God. Like all things the fashion will die from over-exposure. Already the concept of ‘we are all Gods’ has come in. The questions I would pose are – When everybody awakens but still has a few ‘personality quirks’, such as getting angry or feeling sad, will there anything be different at all? Will men and women live together in peace and harmony? Will there be consensus instead of confrontation? Will people stop fighting each other? Will sorrow disappear from the world? Just because you feel something, it doesn’t make it actual. It may feel ‘real’ but that does not make it actual as in palpable, tangible, tactile, corporeal, material and not merely passive. There is a world of difference... * PETER: To become free of the belief in good spirits and bad spirits. To break free the slavery of the Master-disciple business. RESPONDENT: It is you who calls it slavery, that is your interpretation. PETER: Well, the first thing asked of any disciple of a Master is to surrender to the Master. I remember in the early days of Sannyas the need to surrender was an essential requirement. One surrendered to the Master and put one’s faith and trust in Him. This is not my ‘interpretation’. I can distinctly remember the phrase ‘You are not surrendered enough ... Swami’ that was so often used in the commune. Now, to surrender means to give in, as in ‘I give up’. For me that is slavery – albeit willingly. * PETER: and being beholden to any God, Guru. RESPONDENT: Clever of you to give birth to your body... PETER: Ah, none of my doing, for I started life as the amazing product of a sperm meeting an egg – how amazing that the multiplication of those cells 50 years ago is now typing these words and contemplating the fact at the same time. And people believe in God – what a waste compared to being here, as this flesh and blood body, typing with the smell of baked potatoes wafting through the room ... * PETER: To free one’s self from the insidious platitudes of Eastern spiritual Wisdom with its seductive poetical promises of Bliss and Nirvana. RESPONDENT: This is again all your crap, they do not promise anything, they state what they ‘know’ Yes, they Know the Truth, which is that ‘you are really God and Immortal’ – something we always knew deep down anyway! Anything but a flesh and blood human being. * PETER: Beholden to no-one and nothing. Free to be happy and harmless – at last. RESPONDENT: Happiness is your own business, but as far as I’m concerned you are not harmless when you couch your own failure to come to self-realization in general terms and try to prescribe a program for others to follow... PETER: Well, I ‘couch my own failure to come to self-realisation in general terms’ simply because it is a common experience. The success rate of Enlightenment is .0001%, which leaves hundreds of millions, if not billions of people who have trod the spiritual path for millennia as ‘failures’. I would say that failure is a pretty general experience. I am but one of many failures, the only difference being that I acknowledged it and escaped from both the ‘real’ world and the spiritual world and stepped into the actual world. * PETER: As I’ve repeatedly said – exercise your right to delete and I’ll exercise my right to write – until (the list-owner) exercises his right to delete. This form of communication is so clean, so easy, so direct. What a modern marvel. RESPONDENT: This last exchange has convinced me even more than before that you are not interested in actually having a dialogue. Hereafter my finger will happily jig to the delete button. This was my last try ... PETER: Do you mean, when you say things like – [endquote]. – that you are interested in having a dialogue? Sounds to me like someone with his mind firmly set. I do wonder what this ‘last try’ business is about?
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