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General Correspondence ~ Peter with Publishers of a Satirical
Hi Guys, I have read a report on the back page of the local paper that in your recent satirical magazine, ‘none of the content was intended to be a piss-take of Osho’ but your ‘targets were the parasitic gurus/teachers who try to identify themselves or their teachings with him, while still playing it ‘safe’ – unlike Osho himself who spoke spontaneously and openly, regardless of the consequences.’ I take it that this was a gross misquote as the statement contains several obvious factual errors – In the magazine you targeted Isaac Shapiro and Antoinette Varner, to name two that come to mind, both of whom have no association or identification with Mohan Rajneesh aka Osho. ‘While still playing it ‘safe’ – unlike Osho himself who spoke spontaneously and openly, regardless of the consequences’ is also factually wrong. Both of the above Gurus speak spontaneously, as in not reading from notes, and openly, as in to those who pay to sit and hear their words – exactly as did Mr. Rajneesh. It is obvious from the first point that if your intention was to target Gurus who claim a different God-man as their Master, then you are indulging in one of the most dangerous and potentially seditious forms of satire – religious persecution. Those who loudly and publicly proclaim that ‘my God is the only God and all other Gods are false Gods’ are those who actively perpetuate the tradition of religious bigotry that has caused all the religious wars, crusades, tortures, persecutions, perversions, repression, recriminations, prejudices, retributions, pogroms, etc. I take it you were misquoted but you may well consider publicly correcting the statement lest the New Age religions all too rapidly fall into the trap of the Old Age religions. The forming of fighting schisms and sub-schisms is the inevitable result of all religious belief but you may not want to be identified with those who actively promote religious conflict. This same religious conflict inexorably leads to religious wars, crusades, tortures, persecutions, perversions, repression, recriminations, prejudices, retributions, pogroms, etc. As for the second point, I can only assume that ‘regardless of the consequences’ is a reference to the drastic consequences that Mr. Rajneesh’s spontaneous and open speaking bought on himself and his followers at the Ranch in Oregon. Certainly his most un-‘safe’ comments were his virulent condemnations of Christians while staying in America and his ‘waving a red flag at a bull’ resulted in him fleeing the country leaving his followers behind to face the National Guard. Rajneeshees conveniently forget that he spoke ‘openly’ in terms that would be regarded by most as blatantly derogatory of others’ religious beliefs. You may remember Mr. Rajneesh’s raging against the Christians at the time but as a reminder I’ll quote him –
Outrages like these, combined with poisonings, buggings, arson, vote stacking, etc. caused a situation where armed conflict became a distinct and very real possibility. There were a number of police and FBI investigations under way and the National Guard was reportedly on stand-by. Both sides were armed and ready. Rajneeshees were well armed and deliberately invited the press in to show off their weapons and training. In the end, Rajneesh flew the coup, so the situation was diffused, but it shook many people’s faith to the point that many dropped Sannyas, became disillusioned or ‘watered down’ their faith to a more ‘safe’, and less fervent level. But I take it that you were misquoted, or I have misinterpreted what was meant by the quote. Surely you are not condoning one religion riling against another to the point where virulent feelings, or even armed conflict, are the inevitable result? The recent issue of the other Rajneeshee magazine in town contained an oblique reference to Christians in its editorial piece and, as such, it is obvious that much Rajneeshee-Christian ill-will still exists even today, many years after Rajneesh’s anti-Christian tirades. It would also seem irresponsible to add to this intolerance a new ill-will – to promote conflict between Rajneeshees and the other New Age religious groups by giving the impression that you are deliberate ‘targeting’ those who follow different religious Masters, and promoting an ‘unsafe’ style of ‘spontaneous, open speaking’ that is derogatory of others’ spiritual belief to the point where it provokes conflict and hostility. What tweaks my interest in your current plight is the fact that I recently wrote an article for the other Rajneeshee magazine lampooning spiritual belief, God-men and Gurus. Being an actualist* and, as such, a thorough-going atheist, I was ridiculing all and every spiritual belief, not trumpeting that ‘my’ God is the only God and all other Gods are false Gods, as the Local paper quote implies you were doing with your magazine. Perhaps, in the interest of local ‘inter-spiritual harmony and good-will’, you may consider correcting the facts and the disturbing impression that is evident in the quote of the local paper. Left uncorrected, the local paper quote leaves the impression that Rajneeshees are a self-centred, bigoted, elitist and intolerant lot, which I am sure was not your intention. Cheers ... ... Peter. * For definition of actualism see
To Publisher No 1 I like your style of writing, very similar to mine with a good measure of sarcasm and ridicule. Well done. Haven’t had time to respond to it in full but will do so in a few days. PS. Were you a Sannyasin once? You sound a bit like all the other cynical disillusioned ex-sannyasins (which is not to say your comments are not without validity). The Oxford Dictionary defines sarcasm as ‘a bitter or wounding expression or remark, a taunt’, and ridicule as ‘Subjection to mocking and dismissive language or behaviour; the action or practice of ridiculing a person or thing; mockery, derision.’ I have assessed my post to you and cannot see any sarcasm in it at all. Any ridicule in my writing is directed towards Eastern religious belief, which is in itself ridiculous by nature. There was no ridicule directed at you personally, rather I clearly pointed out that I understood that you had either been misquoted or, at worst, had not fully considered your response to the comments that you had obviously received about Byron Satsang. My ridicule is always directed at those who would call themselves God-men or God-women for they are clearly suffering from extreme delusions of grandeur. The followers of the Deluded Ones are merely followers, and the reason I sometimes am moved to write to them is to point to the fact that there is now a third alternative available to either staying ‘normal’ or becoming ‘spiritual’. In writing to you I was merely pointing to the fact that your self-professed sarcasm could easily be seen as selective vindictive religious intolerance – i.e. ‘a bitter or wounding remark’ directed at someone else’s beliefs. As I said in my previous post, my intolerance is of all religions, both Western and Eastern, and it is the true-believers of all faiths who feel offended by my remarks. * PS. Were you a Sannyasin once? You sound a bit like all the other cynical disillusioned ex-sannyasins (which is not to say your comments are not without validity). Yes I was a Rajneeshee for some 17 years. I have written of the incident that heralded the beginning of the end for me, in a book I wrote ...
As for ‘cynical disillusioned’, I have had this charge levelled at me countless times. Below is a typical exchange from the Sannyas mailing list before I was cyber-executed from the list for being too heretical and iconoclastic ...
P.S. These exchanges with Rajneeshees make fascinating reading should you be at all interested in exploring spiritual belief. Your statement – ‘which is not to say your comments are not without validity’ makes little sense to me. Judging something as valid or invalid is a subjective evaluation that is most often applied in the form ‘what you are saying has some validity, but I believe ...’ What about examining and evaluating a comment on the basis of whether it is factual and sensible. Is it a statement of fact and does it make sense, or is it silly? Most people live their lives on the basis of feelings, imagination, hope and belief and stubbornly ignore facts and sensibility. My exchanges on the Sannyas Mailing List offer ample evidence of the stubborn hold that fervent belief and impassioned feelings have on human beings. Hiding behind, and wallowing in, spiritual belief makes any sensible consideration and discussion of facts an impossibility, and forestalls any consideration of the third alternative that is now available to remaining ‘normal’ or becoming ‘spiritual’. One of the reasons I was moved to write to you was that your magazine seemed to indicate a willingness on your part to question spiritual belief, but it is now evident to me that it was simply written in sarcastic style and was aimed at deriding the beliefs of others who are not part of your religion. It is an impossibility to engage in a discussion about facts – what works and what doesn’t work and why – with those who fervently believe something to be true and desperately uphold it to be the Truth. But if someone is sufficiently motivated and willing to take stock of their lives and examine what has worked and what hasn’t, then a sensible and dispassionate investigation of facts of spiritual belief is possible.
To Publisher No 1 The Oxford Dictionary defines sarcasm as ‘a bitter or wounding expression or remark, a taunt’, and ridicule as ‘Subjection to mocking and dismissive language or behaviour; the action or practice of ridiculing a person or thing; mockery, derision’. The Oxford dictionary is one thing, what I mean is another. Probably my loose use of the language in using the word ‘sarcasm’ when to be accurate ‘ridicule’ is probably closer. As I see it, it is easy to ridicule the ridiculous. I always try to be precise with the words I use and consequently I use the dictionary meaning. Words are the only accurate method of communication we human beings have. Trying to intuit or feel what the other is feeling, thinking or meaning is a hopeless system fraught with conflict, confusion and ambiguity. * Yes I was a Rajneeshee for some 17 years. I have written of the incident that heralded the beginning of the end for me, in a book I wrote ... ‘One night in discourse, suddenly the absurdity of worshipping an empty chair on a podium, with thousands of other people all dressed in white robes, struck me like a thunderbolt.’ <Snip> Sorry, but I don’t relate to this at all, yes I’ve spent over a year in Pune over the last three years but never go to White Robe Brotherhood. It just seems bizarre to me. But to be totally accurate I do go the White Robe when I play guitar as I enjoy playing music for such an appreciative audience. A lot of it seems bizarre to me so all I have to measure it with is my own experience and my life is happier, less serious, more fun and deeper. All subjective terms but then it seems as though life is somewhere in the middle. Do you mean to say you ‘walk the middle path’ – as in between the bizarre and serious and more fun and deeper? Or is life somewhere between bizarre religion and irreverence? I have got no idea what you mean at all. Do you find certain aspects of the religious group you belong to bizarre and, if so, why, or are you not concerned? I am interested as to why you don’t care? You asked me at the end of the post as to why I care? I am curious as to how you cannot care? * ‘As I looked around, I had a brief flash of some sort of spiritual ‘Klu Klux Klan’. ‘Has my life really come to this?’ – I remember thinking. It was never to be the same again for me, although the final parting was to take a while. It also became increasingly evident that I was actually witnessing the formation of a Religion. Rajneesh had, of course, put the organization in place before he died, but one further incident made it crystal clear...’ Yes, I also see the foundations of a ‘new’ religion but so what? I do what I can but it is not so for me – this is the choice I have. This is where the ridicule of the inner circle comes from. When I was a teenager I figured out that the idea of a of a white-bearded God sitting on a cloud and overseeing all this was pretty silly to me. And as for sending his Son down so he could do a few miracles, start a Religion, be nailed to a cross, and after a few days go back up to sit alongside Dad and see how it works out...!! I remember as a child clearly thinking, if there was a God, how come he made the mess in the first place, and if he was responsible for this mess, why the hell didn’t he just come down and sort it out! Later, of course, it became clear – someone would probably crucify him again for creating this much suffering and then letting it go on for so long! When I saw in Pune that I had simply swapped Western religion for Eastern religion I was appalled, and this was particularly obvious after Rajneesh died. I found that I could no longer live a lie and I eventually came to see the photos of Rajneesh on the walls of my friends’ houses as no different than the statuettes of Jesus nailed to a cross that I had seen on the walls of Catholic friends’ houses as a youth. When you say ‘ridicule of the inner circle’, I did not notice any in your magazine but there was some ridicule of Rajneesh’s words, and as such, of Rajneesh Himself. * As for ‘cynical disillusioned’, I have had this charge levelled at me countless times. Below is a typical exchange from the Sannyas mailing list before I was cyber-executed from the list for being too heretical and iconoclastic ... <Snip> Look Peter I’m not sure about the stuff you wrote. It all seems pretty right to me except that I see it’s not His responsibility to create this, for me a ‘new man’ of some sort has emerged in me but he didn’t do it, I did. I never saw any of these things as promises, maybe they are, maybe they’re not, but for me they were statements of possibilities. This is possible, but I never thought for one second that he or Sannyas would create this – I realized I had to do anything that needed doing or stop doing things that don’t need doing. Look, people who want to debate I’m right your wrong or any number of variations on this don’t interest me. I don’t think Sannyas can save the world, or even make a good cup of tea for that matter, but I can and you can if you want to. That’s a pretty clear statement. You never thought for one second that the New Man was going to happen and you never thought for one second that peace on earth would ever happen. And you don’t want to talk about or debate about peace on earth. It keeps up the 100% record of Sannyasins who are either in denial or don’t care. What I find fascinating is a movement that was supposedly altruistic and caring has degenerated into a self-centred social club totally lacking in any direction or motive apart from self-fulfillment – both as a group and as individuals. No wonder peace on earth forever remains an unfulfilled dream. Peace on earth is literally sacrificed at the altar of dead God-men. * Your statement – ‘which is not to say your comments are not without validity’ makes little sense to me. Judging something as valid or invalid is a subjective evaluation that is most often applied in the form ‘what you are saying has some validity, but I believe ...’ What about examining and evaluating a comment on the basis of whether it is factual and sensible. Is it a statement of fact and does it make sense, or is it silly? I think you’re being overly pedantic here and also ascribing your experiences of others to me. Others may say ‘but I believe etc...’ please don’t ascribe this to me, it’s not factual and it’s not true. My general observation, as in ‘most often’, has proved a touch inaccurate in your case. What you seem to do is, whenever you begrudgingly acknowledge the validity of something I have written, you then say ‘So what, it doesn’t mean anything to me, or it doesn’t apply to me’. You are obviously not a firm believer otherwise you would defend your belief against what you would perceive as attacks on it. You appear to be following the currently fashionable ‘ordinary spirituality’ school that preaches that one should be unconcerned about, and therefore disconnected from, everything. * Most people live their lives on the basis of feelings, imagination, hope and belief and stubbornly ignore facts and sensibility. My exchanges on the Sannyas Mailing List offer ample evidence of the stubborn hold that fervent belief and impassioned feelings have on human beings. Hiding behind, and wallowing in, spiritual belief makes any sensible consideration and discussion of facts an impossibility, and forestalls any consideration of the third alternative that is now available to remaining ‘normal’ or becoming ‘spiritual’. Are you doing the same again? What’s the difference between a ‘spiritual belief’ and a ‘factual belief’? Are you for real? A ‘factual belief’ is a contradiction in terms – a gross distortion of words, an insane inanity. – What has really happened or is the case; truth; reality: in fact rather than theory, the fact of the matter is; something known to have happened; a truth known by actual experience or observation: scientists work with facts. Oxford Dictionary A discerning eye and ear is needed in order to ascertain what is fact and what is merely theory, postulation, concept, commonly agreed, belief, assumption, speculation, imagination, myth, wisdom, real or true. It is easy to see when one knows how to look. Without having to interpret through one’s own belief system – an otherwise intelligent person is thus blind to the obvious – all facts are self-evidently clear. Start with a fact – a verifiable, objective actuality – as the base. Use it as a touch-stone to test the actuality of whatever ‘truth’ one suspects to be a belief. Separate out facts from fiction; find out which part is demonstrably a fact. Anything else is fiction, an illusion. Any belief is nonsensical. By its very nature a belief is not factually true ... otherwise it would not need to be believed to be true. A fact is obvious; it is out in the open, freely available for all to see as being true. To believe something to be true is to accept on trust that it is so. A fact does not have to be accepted on trust – a fact is candidly so. A fact is patently true, manifestly clear. A fact is what is ascertained sensately and thus demonstrably true. A fact has actual verity, whereas a belief requires synthetic credence. It is a fact that I, as this body, am mortal. I will die in due course ... this heart will stop beating, these lungs will cease breathing, this brain will quit thinking. Herein lies the clue to ascertain why this fancy has persisted: a feeling is not a fact. Feelings have led humankind astray for millennia, without ever being questioned as to whether they are the correct tool for determining the truth of a matter. Feelings are held to be sacrosanct; they are given a credibility they do not deserve. They are seen to be the final arbiter in a contentious issue: ‘It’s a gut-feeling’, or ‘My intuition is never wrong’, or ‘It feels right’, and so on. Thought, shackled by emotion and passion, can not operate with the clarity it is capable of. Surely, to experience what is factual is of far greater import than any conclusion arrived at by thought or feeling – no matter how highly refined the thought or fanatically felt the feeling. To experience the factuality of the ending of ‘being’ whilst this body is still breathing is of the utmost importance, if one is to penetrate into the ‘Mystery of Life’ and discover the ultimate fulfilment ... here on earth. To come upon a fact, all that is fiction must be stripped away. All Sacred Cows must be mercilessly exposed to the most extreme scrutiny, nothing or no-one being exempt from critical examination. Common usage has blurred the distinction betwixt fact and belief so much so that anyone using sufficient sophistry can get away with anything at all and still be considered wise these days. Religious teaching brainwashes people into believing nonsense instead of observing facts and actuality. For most people seeing a fact means betraying their belief ... thus they are rendered incapable of seeing it. One of the ways of ascertaining whether a ‘truth’ is a belief or a fact is that a belief demands loyalty; you give allegiance to it and to the group that espouses it. If you have more than one belief it causes difficulty, as your loyalties can be torn apart. You can feel chaotic, not knowing which belief is ‘true’. It makes you very insecure ... at moments like that you wish that there were one person who could tell you what to do and what not to do ... what to believe and what not to believe. You desire some Big Daddy or Big Mummy to tell you what is ‘Right’ and what is ‘Wrong’. Most people try to resolve their different beliefs through compromise. Two people, holding on to their own beliefs, will get into an argument, a fight. They are separate. One is always trying to get the other to believe in their own belief through manipulation and persuasion ... and by giving or withholding love. The one who is stronger, the most adept in this, wins the other over. As neither can stand separation, they will grab any means to come together – even if this means mutual concessions, or the swapping of one’s belief for the other’s. Seeing that both beliefs are irrelevant, by virtue of the fact that they are beliefs anyway, they can dissolve completely. Then there is nothing to resolve, the problem itself is eliminated. Hence a permanent lack of conflict. With the absence of belief there is no more power battles over whose belief is ‘Right’. Separation is no more ... equity prevails. The result is actual intimacy between autonomous individuals. Just because something is an experience in common, it is not necessarily factual. If something is communally experienced it is said to be objective and it is automatically implied to be true. If one is said to be objective it is taken as an accolade; whereas by being subjective, one is said to be prone to bias, to error. If no-one was bold enough to say that the accepted ‘truth’ is a mistake, then the sun would still be revolving around the earth! In the face of public opinion, one needs to be bold to question the collective wisdom and find out for oneself the fact of the matter. One of the best ways of doing this is to see that something held to be true is not working. Instead of vainly trying to make it work through intellectual dishonesty, one takes stock and applies lateral thinking. One needs to be audacious to proceed where no-one has gone before – and trail-blazers are often castigated for their effrontery. Fancy being ridiculed or ostracized for ascertaining the facticity of something ... for establishing a fact. The criterion of a fact is that it works, it produces results. An insight is
seeing the fact. When one sees the fact there is action ... and this action is the actualizing of the insight so that
one’s personality is changed, irrevocably. * Our paradigm of reality allows us to ‘believe’ something is ‘fact’ How do I ‘know’? I don’t. I believe that I’m typing this on my computer and any number of people will support this belief. For all I know this could be the projection of some alien thought form directly into my brain – I don’t ‘believe’ for one minute this is so but it COULD be possible. Are you on some strong medication or something? * One of the reasons I was moved to write to you was that your magazine seemed to indicate a willingness on your part to question spiritual belief, but it is now evident to me that it was simply written in sarcastic style and was aimed at deriding the beliefs of others who are not part of your religion. Is this fact or belief? I ‘think’ if you examine it again you’ll see that those of ‘my’ religion (do I own this religion?) copped as big a serve as the rest including me. And yet you were reported in the local paper as saying,
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And yet now you say you served it up to both sides. It is you who keeps shifting position on what you believe you wrote. When I read your magazine originally I thought you were serving it to both sides which is why I was surprised to see your retraction and denial in the local paper. It is precisely because you clearly stated that you were targeting ‘the other Guru/teachers’ that I was moved to write to say in doing so you were in danger of coming across as a religiously-intolerant bigot which was clearly not your intention. These are the facts as I see them unless you change the goal posts tomorrow. * It is an impossibility to engage in a discussion about facts – what works and what doesn’t work and why – with those who fervently believe something to be true and desperately uphold it to be the Truth. But if someone is sufficiently motivated and willing to take stock of their lives and examine what has worked and what hasn’t, then a sensible and dispassionate investigation of facts of spiritual belief is possible. You certainly know how to project your ‘beliefs’ on to others eh! Maybe things are not possible for you. I’m not motivated by anything and as for raking over the coals of the past, for me this is as futile as planning for my 100th birthday when in all ‘probability’ I’ll be lucky to be here in ten years when the effects of the indulgences of the past (drugs, sex, alcohol, rock and roll, nicotine, junk food, etc.) kick in and destroy this body. That’s a fairly clear statement. If you’re not motivated by anything why do you go to all the effort of producing your magazine in order to write sarcastically about your spiritual beliefs and the spiritual beliefs of others? What is your motivation? In my spiritual years I was often suspicious of spiritual beliefs but I was always careful not to indulge in cynicism. I always thought if I got cynical about what I was doing in life I was definitely on the wrong track. But I did play a few tricks and indulged in some harmless rebellion from time to time when the opportunity arose. I remember after the Ranch I was living in a seaside town that had a small Rajneesh centre. Rooms were available providing various people a chance to offer sessions in past lives, tarot, astrology, psychic readings and other divinations. A friend and I would often look at the notice board, fascinated at the ever-increasing variety on offer. One day we decided, as a prank, to place a fictitious advertisement in the community newsletter offering ‘Capology – the Ancient Tibetan Art of Knee-cap Reading’. It went on to describe that the knees are a critical junction point for the flow of ‘Quong energy’. We also offered half price to pensioners and amputees! We gave the telephone number of the local Concerned Christians, a cult-busting group, which had occasionally given Rajneeshees a hard time. We thought nothing more of it until the editor of the newsletter bailed us up one day to tell us that the Concerned Christians had rung up to complain that they had had so many phone calls, and how come? Which made me think, even then, that people will believe anything. It just took me a while to admit to the fact that I was as gullible as everyone else. * Finally – why do you care? What difference does it make what others believe? I’m really curious about this. Why do you care as it is my opinion that you really do care quite passionately. Three pieces of writing may answer your curiosity as to why I write, and why I care –
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As I copied the above it struck me yet again that the Eastern philosophy and religion makes ‘not caring’ and ‘being disconnected’ into a sacred virtue, for they preach that this actual, physical world is an illusion – so why should any spiritual believer care about peace on earth? Methinks we are a world apart – you are into the traditional Eastern religious morals and ethics and I am into the third alternative – actualism. * Well I lied about the last paragraph – it wasn’t final, this one is. If you’d like to write something that was a bit more iconoclastic than your previous stuff and a bit more lively we’d love to publish it. Thanks, but I’ll pass. The editorial policy of your magazine seems a little too confused and changeable for my taste.
To Publisher No 1 It seems your belief system has a way to go before it can be of any practical use but if you could drop the ideology and dogma then quite possibly it could be interesting. Well, it seems that this conversation has come to an end. I can see that you are a firm believer in, and practitioner of, Eastern religion and philosophy and, as such, are not interested in exploring an alternative. Fair enough. It is good to be full-on into something that makes you ‘happier, less serious, more fun and deeper’, as you said. For me, my doubts simply accumulated to the point that it felt like I was living a lie and I had to get out. As I said, we are a world apart, which is why any further communication is pointless. Cheers ... ... Peter. As a farewell, I’ll leave you with a piece I wrote about my experiences with the ‘Inner Circle’ that you might find interesting –
To Publisher No 1 Well, it seems that this conversation has come to an end. I can see that you are a firm believer in, and practitioner of, Eastern religion and philosophy and, as such, are not interested in exploring an alternative. Fair enough. It is good to be full-on into something that makes you ‘happier, less serious, more fun and deeper’, as you said. It’s funny isn’t it, members of my religion accuse me of not being focused on eastern religion and at odds with it and you say the opposite. Which must make you a rebel without a cause, or a rebel for rebellion’s sake, or a fighter for ... Which is perhaps where your taunt of ‘chicken’ comes from. It reeks of schoolboy playground fights. Personally I have given up fighting. I decided long ago that there are enough fights and wars in the world without me contributing more malice. This is peace on earth in action. It’s certainly a good job that I don’t take other people’s opinions seriously. Personally, I always used to check them out and see if there was any factual basis in what they were saying. If there was, I would assess my actions and make any necessary adjustments so as to not cause offence to others, or take offence from what others did or said. This is peace on earth in action. It seems you do and as such have not responded to any of the comments that were made about your philosophy. Not at all. I’ve simply heard all these comments before. Vineeto and I spent about 4 months corresponding to the Sannyas Mailing List before we were cyber-executed and all of the correspondence is on the Actual Freedom Web-site. I find it a waste of my time and yours to respond to comments that I have answered before many, many times. Your comments were based on no knowledge, or reading, of what I am on about and, as such, your comments are purely thoughtless knee-jerk reactions. If you’re not interested enough to read, then I’m not interested enough to reply to you. If you’re interested, then I’m interested. Otherwise any conversation becomes a pointless battle and I long ago gave up battling others. Why do you keep going on about your book? I thought you might be interested in an alternative to Eastern religion and philosophy, but I was wrong. Is this a reference point in your life? Indeed it is. I wrote it for others who may be sufficiently dissatisfied and disgruntled with Eastern religion to be interested in something that was down-to-earth and non-spiritual. I also wrote it for myself in order to make sense of life. Any writing is a process of clarification for oneself as well as a means of communication to others. That’s why I enjoy writing. Can’t you just get on with your life? No. In fact I didn’t like myself the way I was, nor my life the way it was. This burning dissatisfaction with ‘who’ I was proved to be the very reason I inquired about Actual Freedom in the first place. ‘Getting on with life’ was always a poor, second-rate choice for me. My life was always searched for genuine freedom, peace and happiness and I was never content until I found it. * For me, my doubts simply accumulated to the point that it felt like I was living a lie and I had to get out. As I said, we are a world apart, which is why any further communication is pointless. Does everyone have to have the same belief system as you for you to be able to have pointed communication? No. But I have a very good working knowledge of Eastern religions and Eastern philosophy, whereas you know nothing of Actual Freedom, therefore any communication is pointless. You simply see me as attacking your beliefs – and therefore attacking you – and you get defensive, therefore for you this is a battle. Personally, as an actualist, I find all belief silly, which is why I rely on facts, therefore any communication about your belief system is pointless. If you want to be stubbornly recalcitrant about your religion that’s your business but then to expect me to continue writing smacks of belligerence. Having no beliefs to defend, I have no reason, or desire, to attack. If you are sincere you would have responded to my remarks about your philosophy but instead when confronted with a few questions, like all Reductionists, you chicken out. As I said above, this is a playground taunt from one who wants to fight to one who doesn’t want to fight. I lost all interest – and instinctual urge – to fight a good while ago. I have found genuine freedom, peace and happiness. Oh well never mind – and I thought it was getting interesting even though your only response recently has been to stereotype judge and label. I can understand how you dropped Sannyas with such a mechanistic mind and a lack of courage and imagination. I take it when you say I have a ‘mechanistic mind’, and I ‘lack courage and imagination’, that this is not a judgement on your part. Personally I find judgement very useful and necessary – how else does one determine what is silly and what is sensible. Spiritual people do it all the time by judging things as good or bad, right or wrong. They simply use Eastern religious and New Dark Age morals and ethics which are but a variation on the Christian one’s that many of them rejected or rebelled against in their youth. As for your judgement, I have a mind freed of impassioned emotion – instinctual fear, aggression, nurture and desire. As such, I have no passion for fighting, which you see as lack of courage, and I don’t suffer from fanciful dreaming or fervent belief, which you see as lack of imagination. We live in different worlds – I live in the actual world, you live in the spiritual world. My relationship, as absurd as it might seem to you, is with Osho not the inner circle or other sannyasins. Fair enough. This loyal faith is exactly why the inner circle has the power it does. The loyal faithful personal relationship that Catholics have with Christ is exactly why the Pope is given the power he has over the faithful. The Pope (and Rome) only has power because Catholics give Him the power. Realizing this fact is why I quit from the power structure in Pune. I had too much integrity to actually give someone else power over me. To willingly give someone else power over me and then to spend my life riling against it seemed to me to be the height of stupidity. Why is your opinion so important to you that you have to write a book? Is this your catharsis? So, now you object to the fact that I have written a book! Thou art clasping at straws to denigrate me. Would you have me silenced if you were ‘the controller of those who wrote books’. There are literally thousands of Eastern religious New Dark Age books and there are only two written by actualists and you ask ‘why is your opinion so important to you that you have to write a book?’ Not so long ago we would have been more than cyber executed for our iconoclastic, heretical stance against all religion but thanks to the Net we now have an outlet which is thus far free of, and secure from, those who would silence us. As for ‘catharsis’ – I’ve already posted quite a bit about my motives for writing but you either don’t read what I have written, or chose to ignore it for whatever reason. Once again, this is the reason I wrote a book, and why it was so vitally important to write. It’s from the introduction –
As I said, we are worlds apart and, as such, any attempt at a meaningful communication is pointless.
To Publisher No 2 To clarify a few points... Re gurus ‘identifying themselves with Osho’ etc. For the record, Isaac does directly claim that he is completing Osho’s work. (So this is not factually wrong!) But apart from this, what we meant by ‘association’ was that if someone uses an Osho Centre as the platform for their personal spiritual teachings, they ARE in our opinion claiming legitimacy through association. I presume these teachers are at the Osho Centres with the agreement of the those running the Centres, and as a Rajneeshee, it would seem that your beef should be with your fellow Sannyasins, who welcome them into the centres and not those using the facilities. It’s like inviting someone into your lounge room and then other members of the family berating them for intruding. We have very often heard it said that there is ‘no difference’ between THEIR teachings and what Osho was about. I always find it interesting that Rajneesh spoke glowingly of many other Masters, including Ramana Maharshi, and said he was of the same ilk and spoke the same message, yet if anyone speaks of Rajneesh in the same inclusive terms the cries of foul are heard loud and clear. In other words, when it suited him, Rajneesh included himself in the Eastern religious tradition, yet your words and actions seek to exclude others who would associate with, include, or speak glowingly of Him. No matter how loudly you protest, this could appear to others to be a version of ‘My God is the Only God and all other Gods are false Gods’ – or false Gurus, in this case. If you re-read what I said, you will see that I never questioned your motives but only pointed to the dangerous impression you may very well be creating. We questioned THIS in our magazine, and NOT their right to teach whatever they want in their own groups or organizations. Again a policy such as this can create the impression in the larger spiritual community of this area that Sannyasins are exclusive, elitist, isolationist and more superior than others. I realize that the exclusion of other teachers from Sannyas facilities is the official policy of the Inner Circle in Pune and I am also aware that it is a policy of some controversy among the Rajneeshees community, but to publicly blame the guest-Gurus is surely to aim one’s barbs at the wrong target. The magazine was intended mainly for the Sannyasin community. We make no claims in it of any spiritual ascendancy or supremacy and the only people in danger of suffering religious persecution or hatred because of it were ourselves. Ninety percent of the first edition that I read was aimed at lampooning the Gurus and teachings of non-Sannyasins. If the magazine was ‘intended mainly for the Sannyasin community’ then surely it should have been better passed from hand to hand amongst Rajneeshees only so that the followers of these Gurus and teachers did not feel singled out and selectively targeted. After all, you were reported on the back page of the local paper as saying that in your recent satirical magazine,
Can you not see that those people so ‘targeted’ may well feel persecuted? For me, I did the magazine for many reasons, but mostly for fun. I also think that if anyone wants to associate with the ‘Sannyas’ network, they’re fair game. Words such as ‘target’ and ‘fair game’ imply a hunt – chase, give chase, pursue, stalk, track, trail, follow, shadow, hunt down, hound; Oxford Dictionary. Could it not be that those people ‘targeted’ as ‘fair game’ feel hunted? As for your questions about ‘speaking spontaneously’, all I can say is that what appeared in the local paper was of necessity written telegraphically. Of course it can be interpreted in many ways. It was in relation to an item in the magazine. Precisely the point that I have been trying to make. What you say can be interpreted in many ways. Since my initial post you have qualified your statement by saying ‘ they’re fair game ’ which does narrow the range of interpretation quite significantly. I can’t comment on your opinions about Osho’s words & actions. I won’t pretend to understand anything of what he was up to. I find this astounding as the man has hundreds of books, tapes and videos detailing his teachings, dreams, vision, philosophy and religion. As a follower of Rajneesh surely you would make it your business to find out what and who you are following. But I don’t support anyone who uses Osho’s statements to claim authority to denigrate Christianity or any other religion. In the first edition of your magazine there was an Osho statement deriding Mother Theresa, a Catholic soon-to-be saint. To publish this particular quote in a magazine targeted at those not of the Rajneeshee faith could well be seen as offensive by many Christians – or did it not occur to you? The comments in the body of the magazine appear to denigrate the teachers and followers of the Ramana Maharshi religion and are made by those claiming to be Sannyasins. Like it or not, the Rajneesh religion – and therefore Rajneesh himself – is implicated by association to these apparently derogatory comments in your magazine. I actually have more respect for some mainstream religious groups than I ever have had – after watching the way many around me have acted during & after Sannyas. It always appeared to me that the ‘Inner Circle’ was doing its best to rope in the loose cannons and instil discipline, loyalty, and faith into Sannyasins, in order to make Rajneeshism more mainstream and respectable. A couple of other things ... I’m not sure what you think my ‘current plight’ is, or what connection this may have with your magazine articles, and I certainly don’t know why you think lampooning ‘all and every spiritual belief’ is somehow OK and what I’m doing isn’t. I don’t claim that mine is the only God, nor am I attacking anyone for their religious views or beliefs. I’ve got no idea whether you have a ‘plight’ or not. I would assume you believe Mr. Rajneesh was a God-man, not a mortal flesh and blood human being – someone who declared he was ‘Never born, Never died, Only visited this planet’, as is chiselled on his tomb. You ‘also think that if anyone wants to associate with the ‘Sannyas’ network, they’re fair game’, which, as I have repeatedly said, can be interpreted by others as a targeted attack on their religion. Nowhere have I said what you are doing is not okay, I was merely pointing out the inherent feeling of persecution that could well be perceived by those so targeted. I am not making a moral or ethical judgement, I am simply stating the facts of the situation. As I have said, I am an actualist and, as such, a thorough-going atheist. I have no spiritual / religious belief of any kind. To me all metaphysical belief is puerile nonsense – ancient drivel, twaddle and all religion, be it Western or Eastern, is but institutionalized insanity. Because I have no spiritual belief, I ridicule all spiritual belief and don’t selectively target any particular religion – I am intolerant of all religions. The reason I am concerned about religious tolerance and conflict is that I see that all the so-called New Age religions are rapidly and inevitably going the way of the mainstream religions. The forming of fighting schisms and sub-schisms is the inevitable result of all religious belief and leads to religious conflict. This same religious conflict inexorably leads to religious wars, crusades, tortures, persecutions, perversions, repression, recriminations, prejudices, retributions, pogroms, etc. You may have also noticed that the only reason the principle and ideal of religious tolerance exists is because of the inevitable and on-going conflict and strife between various spiritual/religious groups and even within individual groups themselves. The magazine was only aimed at the (perceived) gullibility of sannyasins, and at the credibility of the large number of spiritual teachers attempting to connect with the network that Osho developed. No one else. Curiously, your stated aim can be seen to be in direct support of the Inner Circle’s policy of excluding ‘other’ spiritual teachers from Rajneesh Centres. This tacit support of the Inner Circle’s policies does seem to be in contradiction of ‘the ridicule of the Inner Circle’ that [Publisher No. 1] mentions was included in the second edition of the magazine. I have not seen the second edition but I take it that your ridicule of the Inner Circle does not include this particular ruling. As for your aims in producing your magazine you said above –
and in your statement in the local paper you said that your
Now, all of a sudden, we have a new and primary target that the magazine was aimed at –
As I said to [Publisher No. 1] when he asked if I’d like to write something for your magazine – ‘The editorial policy of your magazine seems a little too confused and changeable for my taste.’ Finally, I was not trying to give the impression that Rajneeshees are self-centred, bigoted and intolerant etc. But reading your letter it seems that you think as much, not just of sannyasins, but also of Osho. What I said was
From where I stand, in the actual world, anyone who believes in God is plainly silly and does so for ultimately self-centred reasons and anyone who believes themselves to be God-on-Earth is suffering from extreme Delusions of Grandeur. The master-disciple system is rotten to the very core. It is not that I think this is so, it is a fact, and one does not have to delve back into history to see the inevitable results of the master-disciple system in action. All of the religious wars, crusades, tortures, persecutions, perversions, repression, recriminations, prejudices, retributions, pogroms, etc. that have been, and are still on-going, are the direct legacy of the master-disciple system. This appalling carnage will not cease unless human beings wean themselves off the ancient fairy-tale belief in Gods, God-men and life-after death. I am left wondering why you are so concerned about the image of Sannyasins. At one time I had many friends who were Sannyasins, as I was, and most were very sincere and totally dedicated in their search for freedom, peace and happiness. As I have said before, at the time Sannyas was the best game to play. I now see a watering down of this search amongst many Sannyasins to the point were many are ‘happy and content’ exactly as they are, with no desire for change. I think this is evidenced by the fact that many are attracted by the teachings that ‘you are already That – all you have to do is realize It’. To me this is a sorry and lamentable demise of a movement that began in the fervour of 60’s and that was going to change the world and bring peace to this fair planet. This passionate search for freedom, peace and happiness has degenerated into an utterly self-centred fashionable New Dark Age spiritualism that cares not a fig about peace on earth. The current image of Sannyasins in the wider community is that they at the forefront of this self-centredness and are deliberately turning away from the original spirit that was around in the ‘early days’. Perhaps this just makes me an old fogie but I, for one, still remain vitally interested in actual peace on earth. A bit I wrote for the Introduction to Actual Freedom may be relevant –
Sannyas has become yet another ‘old time religion’ and peace on earth is sacrificed yet again. As you can see, I am more concerned about the content and consequences of the Sannyas message than the image of Sannyasins. That’s why I write – purely and simply to say to anyone who is discontent with the spiritual path that there is a now a third alternative available to remaining ‘normal’ or becoming ‘spiritual. The reason I wrote to you guys was to warn you of the apparent perception of intolerance towards other religions in your magazine. But you don’t seem to see what I see, so I see no point in continuing to flog a dead horse. Peter’s Text © The Actual Freedom Trust |